Casters aren’t the same as ranged weapon users. I’d have thought that was completely obvious. That’s like calling a tank a melee dps or a healer a caster dps. Not only are they completely different in how they play, but they fulfill completely different fantasy elements of the game.
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I’ll just never understand why you’d want a melee hunter when you could have just rolled a rogue. Rogues will always be superior melee to anything a MSV hunter can do.
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The discussion was ranged versus melee… If you want to be daft and try and change the parameters in order to make some strawmen, nonsensical point no one was discussing have at it buttercup.
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Pets? More ranged abilities? Option to take a ranged spec for offspec? Completely different lore? Different armor class and xmogs? I’m sure there are more differences that two seconds would provide any one with half a brain to identify.
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As much as I would love to see Rsurv back (all time favorite spec) I don’t want it at the cost of those who like the melee version but I do have issues with those that go do we need a 3rd range spec.
My response is do we need 3 range mage specs , do we need 3 range lock specs or do wee even need 3 melee rogue specs.
Why were hunters the only pure dps class for this to happen to ?
I honestly believe this was done because of the popularity of the spec between Cata and WoD. You couldn’t go through those expacs with out tripping over a rsurv hunter.
To me the best thing they could of done and should of done is taken it back to that hybrid hunter it used to be . They could of done talents for melee heavy builds as well as range heavy along with hybrid.
Instead they decided to make a niche spec (their words) that has caused a riff among the hunter community over it.
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This is me 100% as well. I could drop my revolving door of alts and stick with my favorite class and spec. Well over 7 years invested in a spec just to have it deleted for no good reason.
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Why even play the game, with an attitude like that? I’m not trying to, like, say it’s invalid - if you believe Blizzard is out to slight players and strip us of what we love, run with it.
But if you believe that, why play?
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In that case tanks should be counted as melee too. They are ‘melee’ after all. Healers would also be ‘ranged’ too. But that obviously would be irrelevant. It’s almost as if the discussion was about melee weapon users and ranged weapon users. Since, you know, it was a ranged weapon using spec that was changed to a melee weapon using spec… and casters had nothing to do with it.
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The example was to show how ridiculous it is to consider casters to be the same as a ranged weapon user like a hunter. Hunters play more similarly to a melee dps than a caster. The point is the ranged weapon. That much should have been clear to everyone.
Let’s take a look at the actual discussion then, and see who really has a lack of reading comprehension. The person you responded to was responding to me, as his post immediately follows mine and he is commenting on the disparity between melee and ranged specs. Their post:
Like I said, this post was in response to me. My post:
The post that Kyloret was referencing when they said “I think we both know what he meant”, and the comment I was responding to, was:
Do you see it? It’s right there at the end of the comment.
Weird how they didn’t mention the caster specs… unless of course they were never talking about literally all ranged DPS specs but rather the specs that used ranged weapons. So no, the discussion was not about all ranged specs including casters. It was specifically about specs that wield ranged weapons, ie: “marks and bm”.
“Reading comprehension”.
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If we were to ask 100 WoW players what a ranged spec is, I would bet money that every single one of them, other than you, considers every caster as ranged and not just hunters.
By the way, they were saying BM and MM are enough ranged for hunter, and not in totality. I think you’re trolling at this point because it’s hard to fathom someone above 5 arguing this point.
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So which is it? Were they referencing all ranged specs like you implied before, or are they referencing only the hunter ranged specs like you imply now? Trying to have your cake and eat it to even though you just contradicted your own argument… but you’ll still insist that I am the one making ‘stupid points’, lol.
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Instead of trying to white knight, you should try actually reading. You are the only person in WoW who is confused about this.
Can’t justify their own arguments, and just backpedals and hurls insults when they are exposed to have been wrong.
Do you have an answer or not? Is the discussion about ALL ranged specs like you said here:
Or was it about just hunter specs like you said here:
To quote a WoW forum troll: “reading comprehension isn’t apparently your strong suit”
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I actually been gone since january (friend tryin to drag me back in) but in legion the comment they made bout sv points to chances of it coming back almost (key word almost) nil. I like to be proven wrong.
They also said that they would incorporate old SV into MM via talents too, but that obviously didn’t happen. Blizzard doesn’t care about keeping to their word. They only care about their own pride. We all know this by now. Ranged SV could come back and Blizzard could totally just make excuses for why changing it to melee was still good and how bringing it back in no way implies that they made a mistake.
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Now that you said that, it does bring up possibilities for, say, the Spellblade(could be class though) or some type of Demon brawler.
I think a tinkerer would work out very well. Could have a melee dps spec similar to current melee SV, a ranged dps spec (that uses ranged weapons, and then gadgets and what not) and then possibly either a tank or healing spec (with energy shields or medicine or something). Would wear intellect mail despite being a phsyical attacker, since a tinkerer gains their benefits from their brains. I think that would be a very interesting concept.
No, incorrect.
That particular discussion started with the focus being hunter specs(those being designed around the use of ranged weapons) and the argument of whether 2 was enough or not.
You might’ve replied to that player’s particular post where he mentioned ranged and melee in general, but he in turn was also engaged in the discussion of hunter specs.
So no, the discussion wasn’t about ranged vs melee in general. That was only the specific reply of his that you responded to.
Now who’s spinning in an attempt to deflect from a failed argument…
You might not’ve made your reply with that discussion in mind. But still, that was the discussion. Not what you claimed it to be.
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You’re being obtuse and frankly just down right disingenuous to claim he wasn’t referring to the number of melee specs to ranged specs, with ranged being everything that plays at range. You’re actually trying to argue that his point was there is more melee than three hunter specs… That would be the stupidest point ever made on these forums, even worse than you and Bepples arguments.
It’s also quite hilarious that when I point out what would happen if you asked random players in WoW, you don’t address it directly because you know full well you’d be embarassed.
Since it’s inception, WoW players have always said ranged and melee. When guilds set up groups, they set up melee groups and ranged groups. They don’t set up caster groups, ranged groups and melee groups… Ranged/caster has been interchangeable throughout the entire history of this game. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out lying.
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Go back up and check again…
I pointed out that your reply might’ve been directed specifically towards what he said in his reply about ranged vs. melee in general, but he made that reply as an extension to the discussion at hand.
A discussion you argued was about the above, even though it was actually about hunter specs in particular. You just decided to ignore that part while focusing on the last point he made about specs in general.
Uhm…no, I’m not?
What are you even getting at with this?
Yeah…
In raids at least, today it’s not really about this but more about what can be brought by individual classes/specs. Not by groups or anything of the sort. And there’s no longer a need to divide/sort players based on buffs either.
Or are you talking about how some prefer to sort players into different groups during a raid? Based on their role/sub-role.
What does that have to do with the discussion further up this topic?
Why are you even dragging this up when it has nothing to do with the discussion you referred to earlier?
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