Ranged weapons aren’t “Exclusive” to hunters… Lots of melee started out frequently using ranged weapons to pull mobs from a distance without aggro’ing multiple mobs. Tanks used them for pulling, and there were plenty of weapons that were ranged that weren’t considered “hunter” weapons, nor were they given to hunters in Vanilla.
That being said, I understand where you’re coming from, but I think it’s a bias outlook. I mean hunters originally also equipped and frequently used melee weapons…
I remember then. Those weapons had a different stat for warriors with defense cause they were made as stat stick and range puller for warrior tank class. Every class had something, druids had idols, hunters had to have melee weapon to cover dead zone to quickly get back to ranged. However those ranged weapons were designed for defense in mind and didnt have hunter agility stats, it had strength and defense. Hunters has been only class to use offensive ranged firing weapons, which was reduced by 33% of specs.
Traps, pet, tracking, serpent sting, and more… K.
Yes, but a drastic change, well changes everything in the way it was played. I cant say for Frost, but unholy and blood still have a very similar play style. UH did change a little, but yea. Same with the Combat / Rogue.
Its a big change, just as much as the others I’ve put. The spec play got completely changed hard.
That was a change done to fit the “class fantasy” though… which I do still believe Survival still fits.
I don’t disagree with your statements, but would a fourth spec be as useful as blizzard actually taking the time to make all three of our current specs better and more interactive? This is the positive kind of feed back that would get our specs changed.
Blizzard is a corporation and it’s probably hard for them to make real changes if people don’t give good feedback on the class. Simply saying “I dislike BM because of the relative simplicity to it” I mean I get it, trust me, but does Blizz? Do they know why you find it boring? What would you do to improve the spec, the class, the game play? This is the reason we get limited tuning / fixing. We need people to give well thought out, constructive feedback on both PVE and PvP.
Except it did. Stats were more versatile back then. Not talking about Classic here, but vanilla. The way ppl behave in those two era is completely different.
Casters would heavy use their wands.
A weapon doesn’t make a class, there’s Ranged DPS, Melee DPS, Healer, Tanks. Hunters back then was just in the RDPS group with mage, locks, priest, druid.
You could say however, that it is the only class that had high range “physical” dmg abilities.
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Sorry but at what point did you think that I was claiming that the Hunter class as a whole was deleted? Traps, pets and tracking are universal to all three specs. Serpent Sting also didn’t exist for melee SV in Legion, so that’s a no.
Are you seriously saying that as long as the new ‘Arcane’ spec (that was actually just changed to Feral) still had blink and portals that it is still Arcane? Wow.
No, it wasn’t just as much. It was way more than those other specs. Again, enhancement shamans didn’t get changed to be a ranged DPS caster that attacks with holy damage. Shadow priests didn’t get changed to a melee DPS that attacks with 2 handed axes. Therefore, their changes are not even in the same league as the changes that happened to the Hunter class in the form of the ranged weapon using, poisons and explosive wielding huntsman being deleted and replaced with a melee weapon wielding, animal themed melee attack using brawler.
The ‘changes’ are not even in the same league. Not even close.
No it doesn’t. The class fantasy of Hunter is attack from a range and having a pet. That is the core fantasy for Hunters, and melee SV removes the ranged weapon. Furthermore, how exactly does melee SV fit the name “Survival”? What part of ‘Survival’ means jumping right into the enemies face in melee range, rather than attacking from a distance? Might as well change Fury to ‘Survival’ too.
so i miss your “context clues” and i’m a terrible person who is just trying to troll you. you miss mine when i say as long as it’s original thinking and you aren’t just defending blizz because you feel you have to and decide to say i am trying to hang you, perfectly fine on your part. no hypocrisy here at all!
dude, if you can’t even practice what you preach, just be quiet. i never said your points were invalid. what i said was that if you are only defending blizz because you feel like you have to, then you have nothing to add to this discussion.
maybe if you actually read my posts like you think i don’t, you’d understand how stupid you are being right now. i said nothing about anyone’s opinion being flat out wrong. this world runs on people having different opinions.
IF PEOPLE LIKE WHAT I THINK IS A CLUNKY MESS OF A SPEC, FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, POWER TO THEM. hopefully this section is cleared out enough for you to actually read this time!
i don’t like it.
there. that’s that. just don’t say things like “someone has to defend blizz” because that only weakens your point and makes you look like a fanboi. if you can’t take criticism, oh well. not my job to stroke your ego when i already said your opinion isn’t invalid.
I couldn’t care less what “section” of the company it is that makes such decisions.
No matter which one it is that does this. The whole purpose of providing feedback on these forums is to convince the people at the company(those it may concern) that it’s worth looking into the return of RSV, as an example.
And honestly, are you actually trying to derail this by arguing about who does what at the company?
First off, we aren’t. Try again…
Secondly, the purpose of our posts is to improve the game. Especially when it can be done without making it worse for others.
What is your purpose of constantly coming in here just to speak against said feedback?
People like you, Darke, and well, the X+ others who do the same thing here.
What are you trying to achieve by constantly talking down to others who are providing said feedback?
The only thing they left from the old RSV, going into Legion, was the name. That’s all.
The name means nothing.
They removed all parts of it’s design which made it what it was.
So yeah, they deleted the spec we had prior to Legion.
He meant the concept of having the core playstyle(s) of a class being based on using a ranged weapon.
Traps are class-wide.
They removed the theme of enhanced traps from SV.
Pets are also class-wide.
Tracking, same thing.
Serpent Sting as a ranged ability was removed. Besides, the theme of SV was also about improving that ability.
So yeah…
These aren’t what’s refered to when people say that it was deleted. Or specifically, not refered to in that way.
So, if it was completely changed into something else. How is that not the same thing as it(RSV) being deleted?
Sounds like he is.
Please tell me and others again that you and the cohort crying crew are only trying to get a 4th spec again…
This thread has insufficient Bepples.
Didn’t read thread, so dunno if anyone mentioned this.
Also dunno if this has been changed, but a few weeks ago, saw a video of someone testing all the specs for hunter on alpha and surv could equip a ranged weapon and basically be a ranged spec with running in to do a few melee abilities here and there.
Is it viable or good? Hard to say. If it stays that way, could you be a ranged surv hunter? If you wanted to I suppose.
you can go ranged with suv hunter in sl but is arcane shot a big damage loss compared to mongoose strike?..probably.
Yeah, that was completely tasteless.
Good thing he’s only one person with his own opinion, speaking for himself.
Me, I’m in the Four-Specs-Is-Best crowd.
Probably, but from what I saw you could use your melee abilities with the bow equipped, but it’s been at least 2 weeks since that video was put out, so it could have been changed. That said, the option to be ranged surv was at least there.
they will most likely fix that melee with a ranged weapon.
It’s not designed for you to want to play MSV as that person did.
I saw Rogerbrown doing the same on his stream when first getting into the Alpha but you could quickly notice how, despite the new additions, it wasn’t meant to be played that way.
Besides, current SV but ranged isn’t what people(most) are asking for when saying they want ranged SV back.
I mean, I never said it was really meant for it or that it would even be a good idea, just that it was possible.
Huh? Is that the best you got? That’s a very different perspective from removing the current SV. Bepples later in that same thread clarifies that melee SV in Legion had no cohesive identity or playstyle, and that the beginning and end of its ‘inspiration’ was just being a ‘melee hunter’.
I’m on the same page in that I don’t consider melee SV to be a ‘real’ hunter spec, because the Hunter class is defined by ranged weapons and the pet. Melee SV is much more akin to a warrior spec. But again, that’s not me saying that it should be removed, just that it can’t really ever be a Hunter spec because what makes a Hunter a Hunter has always been the ranged weapon and the pet. If you took Balance and made it a Hunter spec I wouldn’t call that a true Hunter spec either.
Heck, even now as we’ve observed, Blizzard isn’t refining a melee spec. They are just making it more and more ranged while removing more and more melee abilities. The very act of deviating it away from melee is making it more like a Hunter spec. But again, that doesn’t mean I think they should delete it. If I thought they should delete a spec just because I didn’t like it, that wouldn’t make me any different from you who says “Good riddance” to ranged SV being deleted, and saying that it should never come back.
Maybe we really are seeing Blizzard’s slowly returning SV to ranged? They might be trying to lay the groundwork for just splitting them up into two separate specs all at once, rather than just bringing back ranged SV. Who knows though. Maybe they really are just at a total loss as to how the spec should be designed. Wouldn’t surprise me; that’s how they’ve been with Hunters for years.
Don’t remind me about Thori’dal. The only legendary ranged weapon ever. Yet it wasn’t even BiS for Hunters. But it was BiS for Rogues. Hunters never got another legendary ranged weapon either, while every other class did (including Rogues getting their own exclusive legendary with Fangs of the Father, not to mention the Glaives of Azzinoth). So ridiculously unfair man.
Ooh! This is very possible. If they end up introducing two play styles in the same spec (MSV), then it makes it easier for them to spilt it into two specs, a la the Druids’ Feral/Guardian spec.
The word “are” refers to the present tense. Vanilla is irrelevant to my statement.
Hunters are the only class that can receive ranged weapons from personal loot. That makes it exclusive.
Ranged weapons = hunter.