Hahaha, what?
Same map as vanilla for many patches. Alliance won plenty if not a majority.
Same map as vanilla for many patches. Alliance won plenty if not a majority. WITHOUT CROSS SERVER PREMADES
Oh I see. All of those people your queue hopping premades were screwing were the afker/leeches. Uhuh. Amazing the mental gymnastic display you are attempting.
Plz bring on classic tbc so arenas can comeback. Bgs in classic will never work well because of the population imbalance and the lack of pvpers on alliance. Blizzard would have to make a dramatic change in systems to balance it out and the goes against there policy of keeping the game as close to vanilla as possible. Bugs and griefing tactics being the exclusions.
So this only happened in Marshall games. I didnât like the Marshall groups but honestly anybody rank 11+ is doing something they should be banned for.
Every helmet Iâve spoken to buys gold which brings us back to the problem of blizzard not moderating toxic asshats out of their games. The fix was to ban the people abusing the report system NOT to ruin AV for the rest of us who were just âpremadingâ to bypass our rampant afk problem.
You admit the problem is the people AFKing, but then suggest a solution other than fixing the AFKâing. You donât fix a problem by letting some people bypass it (the act of bypassing it caused more problems too.)
So I was exalted before I was 60. How many backfills do you think I had to play to make that happen (considering I couldnât do premades without an epic mount)?.. So now that youâve thought that one out, how much experience do I have in these backfills? So yea, they were nothing but sub 60s, people fishing, and nobody pvping.
These are the alliance that were rewarded with the change.
Honestly it is the best solution overall. You can throw blizzard moderation out the window. Wow classic to activision is nothing but them milking blizzards cash cow. They are never going to care about your experience.
And Blizzards moderation still doesnt address the faction imbalance.
You have to realize that in the long run the premades wouldâve HELPED HORDE by making enough pvpers roll alliance that your queues are shorter and the games more competitive
Lmao, the irony is palpable 
No. It may be the best solution for YOU. But allowing premades back causes all the other problems that killed them in the first place. You admit premades caused problems for the Alliance, but as long as those people being harmed by premades arenât youâŚyou donât really care, do you?
You are the first I have seen really silly enough to try and argue that Alliance premades were actually good for the Horde thoughâŚthat is an impressive leap.
Sigh, I thought we were getting somewhere but youâre just as shirt sighted as the rest.
Honestly, I gave up on you a while back after you moved the goal-posts so many times we ended back up where we started. That was pretty amusing.
But there are other people reading who may be a bit more critical. Your argument really boils down to âI just want to premade again.â You recognize all the problems it caused, you recognized it didnât solve the problemsâŚbut you didnât have to deal with any of the down-sides, so its all good.
I never moved the goal posts you just werenât following my train of thought but whatever I donât really expect anybody supporting the change to understand the intricacies.
Furthermore if youâre a pvper that rolled horde good chances you just wanted to auto win anyways.
Sad that this devolved into everyone being dismissive. Really thought we were getting somewhere.
At some point Horde will have to give or every PvPer is just gonna roll horde turning PvP into nothing but 2 hr queue into boring roflstomp
What do you suggest I do?
Youâre doing what you can do right now, by bringing Blizzardâs attention to it. Suggesting we try and fix a bad situation by going back in time to another bad situation isnât a great fix though.
It actually was better than you think. Again horde need to actually pay the price for faction stacking somewhere or the PvP community will continue to deteriorate.
And just to get ahead of the replies. Had the âpremadesâ been left alone the marshall groups would be done with their grind and back to raid logging and in a few months enough pvpers wouldâve rerolled alliance that weâd have real balance on ALL fronts.
I only suggest that from a place of pure selfishness. I want to keep my sanity.
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Better for you, perhaps. But not better for the game. For someone who is âdone with meâ you do like to continue to respond. We are paying for âfaction stackingâ though, with our queue timesâŚrightfully so.
I understand the current situation cannot be fun. But I truly believe it is a player-perception problem, that will be fixed over timeâŚand maybe with a little bot-killing enforcement.
Again botkilling is a pipe-dream and your pvp experience is still too good judging by the fact that myself, a pvp oriented alliance player on one of the biggest pvp servers with access to all of the pvp groups is still going to reroll horde.
The grass is always greener. Good luck with the rerollâŚand hopefully you donât sink in too much time before the grass starts to look green back on the other side again.
The grass is actually greener. You need to realize this. As horde you can queue for av, win every game and premade or pug wsg in between with fairly quick queues and a reasonable win rate. You still have every option available to you even though you stacked on the same faction as every other pvper theres literally no give.
As alliance my ONLY option is wsg premades which ques me into either a pug stomp or some try hard rmting horde warlord premade.