The strength of racial is pretty big but I’m more talking about the fact that stronger racial means you also have a large majority of the pvpers and that’s the problem.
I sort of feel like Blizzard has Horde and Alliance players fighting each other over the causes when both Horde and Alliance arguments are both valid and the real cause is that Blizzard fired 800 people for profit and doesn’t actually care about the health of their games. Shouldn’t we be arguing with them and not each other? Where are the damn community managers?
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Also this guy gets it.
Overall playerbase doesn’t matter when AV is locked to 40 v 40. The pvpers are the ones queuing for pvp. Sure, we have more of them…so they’re waiting in a queue. However, inside AV its 40 people who queued up vrs 40 people who queued up. Its not the hordes fault the Alliance are choosing not to participate.
Yes it actually is. The pool of players you’re pulling from is almost entirely pvpers while roughly 20 of the people in ally’s games simply don’t care. Even if they’re not afk they’re still barely paying attention and leeching.
Horde should be made to suffer on some front of pvp or this problem is going to continue to get worse until pvp is unplayable and a good incentive for more pvpers to go alliance was 1hr queues into 7 minute losses.
Like i said like an hour ago. Fixing players being afk would fix a lot of the problems. But we went through a giant circle of goal-post moving to get back here.
Oh, you dont want fair games? You just want the Horde to suffer.
No I do not but it is good balance if you do. You can forget blizz doing anything about afks. Even if they do it wont fix the leeching problem. The only real balance that can be achieved is if enough horde pvpers are incentivized to switch alliance that our queues are roughly the same, meaning our pvp population is roughly the same.
As long as horde gets to have their cake and eat it too this wont happen and the only realistic way this is going to happen is by reverting the av changes.
You are making it abundantly easy to ignore you specifically.
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Tell me how I’m biased or ignorant? You’re using words… Let’s see if you understand their meaning!
How’s that 25% of your team being afk/leeching strategy working out for you?
Say what now?
It’s not working very well at all 
The alliance POV is weighted heavily by the fact that 25% or more of their teams AFK every single game.
You can keep clamoring but eventually you’re going to have noone to play against. Everyone is so hype for ab but at this rate the pvp community is going to be entirely on the horde faction by that point.
Hell, all my rl friends are ally and I’m even thinking about rolling horde.
Hmmm… 
Perhaps maybe try not having 25% of your team afk/leeching? That might be a decent strategy. Oh, and all of those ex premaders could put the effort into 5-man party queueing.
You know what would likely remove a large portion of non PVPers from the pool (who are likely the botters and afkers):
Separate the games and charge a separate sub fee for each. I guarantee that the game would change in a big and positive way.
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It’s the nature of having instant queues and all of the pvpers rolling horde. You act like we have any control over the afks and leechers. Funny thing is, when we did, you whined until blizz removed it. Jokes on you though pvp will cease to exist when it’s all said and done unless something big changes.
The only thing that will actually fix it is horde having a poor pvp experience in SOME way. C’mon, give us SOMETHING. It’s so short sighted how adamant you all are about defending your position when it is clearly HORRIBLY imbalanced.
See, here I thought it was because of the map.
Very few horde complained about it (due to them steamrolling the 5 person AV teams you clowns left in your queue hopping wake), and that was not remotely the reason they changed it.
The only imbalance is the number of committed horde to committed alliance. The later plagued by 25% or so afkers/leeches due to the instant queues that you yourself acknowledge
Very well. I support a change that will allow those 25% of alliance team members to actually play the game.
You’re welcome.
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https://imgur.com/NHUHzyW
Its been barely 3 weeks, but I guess that is too far back for some people to remember. But THIS is why Alliance premades were broken…this and Right-Click-Report abuse against other Alliance.
It was the Alliance griefing their own faction that got premades killed. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not being honest with themselves.
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True, actually the ally leechers and afks complained, really doesnt matter who did what matters is it needs to be reverted.
As far as hordes map advantage. I’m fine with it as long as we get “premades” back. It was actually fairly well balanced considering. Win rates were fairly even. Horde had the long queues that were needed to incentivize more pvpers to roll alliance and afks / leechers were left in 4 v 40s with no honor.