Yes I did. Look again. Not my fault you can’t seem to find my main that was linked in this very thread.
Sorry but, that wasn’t what I was asking here. I’m sure plenty of people can iron man challenge mythic 0s if they know how to use their utility and play it like a m20, and I’m equally sure people can do the same thing with m10s and m15s. Assuming that they have some form of gear, and plan dps cds and such.
I am saying why are you insistent on defending arbitrary grinds? I never said essences are required, I said I want to use them because they are fun to play with and unfun to grind. I’d prefer to have more access to essences rather then less, and I think we have plenty of other grinds to work with already since gear, azerite, and azerite gear already exist.
You seem to be asking why do we need essences? I am coming back and saying why shouldn’t we have them? Especially since its temporary content and we have more traditional separations from those who do high end content and those who don’t. Personally I think it’d be fun to level with focusing iris or blood of the enemy for a few months rather then slacking off on leveling until just before shadowlands so I can play my alts without worrying about grinds and being competitive.
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Come on now. Essence requirements take more than a little time, so saying that they take no time is patently false. Are you seriously implying that essences are even close to the time investment of other late game systems?
Same reason you don’t have a Font of Power or Razor coral just by logging on.
Uh ? They all about take 3 weeks to get at Rank 3, and a few minutes to a few hours at Rank 1.
Suuuree… Just like how you don’t need a kitchen knife to cut a potato, a shoe will do fine as long as you’re alright with potato salad. (Looks at 40-50k dps vs 15k dps in a 12)
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Why should players who haven’t benefited Blizzard expect Blizzard to benefit them when they decide to resub?
An essence won’t change your DPS from 15k to 40-50k.
Tell that to the quel thalas 700 io all 1 hour overtimed Quelthalas players players with a single rank 1 essence and five months of chest gear. The attitudes behind hunting upgrades vs playing your class in lfg and random dungeons matters.
I don’t remember even coming close to having to do ~10 hours of pvp to gear up in legion? Surely you aren’t trying to confuse the issue by pretending that the actual busywork isn’t time consuming by itself. You have to go out of your way for 3 weeks to get all the essences, and in those three weeks you have to spend a lot of that time on wow not playing wow but grinding wow. Many of these grinds are isolated to these two patches. How is this not extra time?
And I didn’t quite get your answer on why we shouldn’t have them? plenty of people who don’t raid could potentially get font of power or razor coral at mythic ilvl from lfr+ or weekly caches(timewalking and dungeon). But essences have to have arbitrary and lengthy processes to be unlocked? Also why do you insist on saying essences are like gear when essences are a separate feature. There is no alternative to essences but essences, and they only come from specific sources.
Yes and ? A rank 3 essence won’t fix that player.
I don’t see how giving them Rank 3s will fix their attitudes.
Your posts are quite completely off base.
There was no PvP gear in Legion. It was based on Stat templates. People massively rejected that.
Surely you won’t suddenly compare Legion Stat Template PvP to farming essences ?
How is it busywork ? You get Essences in every bit of content you can do. Don’t want to do WQs ? Just get different essences.
That’s pretty good RNG if they do. Grats to them.
Lengthy ?
Running 3 +10 keys is lengthy ? Running 2 full clears of Heroic is lengthy to you ? Both of these will get you a Rank 3 essence. Heck simply getting your neck to 60 gives you a Rank 3.
Look, not to be rude or anything but what makes you, the 405 ilvl rank one cruicible of flames only apparent character the expert on rank three essences over all the people doing it?
You surely don’t realize that there are a lot of essences that provide nearly mandatory essences, such as Sphere of Suppression for necrotic weeks to enable kiting oh higher keys, alongside null barriers giving massive survival and damage reflection gains and etc? Sure the essences a player might have might not make all 100% of a threefold difference, but there are plenty of times where knowing when to heal on demand with a Anima of death or Essence saves a otherwise wiping situation, Or where when players push themselves for fun, a 10 goes from a gratitious ordeal to making levels 3 levels easier?
Is it a fourm alt or are you just pulling numbers out of content you haven’t done before at all?
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Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not, but in all seriousness you don’t sell lemonade by pissing in the jar and telling everyone that they’re too unrefined to enjoy it. :P, you have sell what you have to them!
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Ah, another guy who armory trolls but can’t figure out how to actually find another guy’s main and his alt stable.
I have 3 characters with full Rank 3s, and I’m now working on my 4th.
My Demon Hunter is just a mog farm toon.
I guess you could’ve answered your own question by looking at my Title.
Sure they are… sure they are buddy… We believe you 
, oh did i tell you my alt is Zezima and my secret underground fishing buddy is 2900 in pvp?
Uh… ok. I mean my info is public and you can look up my main easily. It’s even linked earlier in the thread by some guy wanting to claim I’m so good that it’s normal I can tank dungeons with Rank 1 essences. As if that was somehow shameful.
Don’t be intentionally dense. I am talking about the annoying essences to grind like blood of the enemy, I don’t know why you are talking about stat weights. It’d be easier to grind blood of the enemy with stat weights though so w/e. I am talking about having to do content that I wouldn’t normally want to do to fill in for class synergies, you know what those are right, you raid mythic after all.
For example one retribution build for next patch looks to be focusing on heavy use of critical strike utilizing a essence that does extra damage when your blade of justice crits. Naturally if you want to optimize your damage you will want to use crit improving essences to synergize with this build, that means blood of the enemy which means 10 hours of pvp. So if i think this sounds fun, I would have to prepare to do 10 hours of content I don’t enjoy so that I can do content I do enjoy in the way that I enjoy it.
Also yes I am saying that rep farming, honor farming, and come next patch eternal palace farming is busy work, because its something I wouldn’t do if there wasn’t player power arbitrarily attached to it.
Also seriously where did that legion template stuff come from, I’m obviously talking about the honor essence when I talk about honor in regards to essences.
I would get rid of the essences system altogether and bring back the superior glyph system.
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These days, my alts tend to get Blood of the Ennemy Rank 2 before I unlock rank one. Just because doing a PvP Island is something I’d need to pug and prefer not to.
I said nothing of stat weights ? What ? You said “PVP gear in Legion”. In Legion, there was no such thing, Gear didn’t matter at all in PVP, everything was based on templates.
I mean, if you’re just returning now, you have plenty of time to farm all your Rank 3s before Ny’alotha. You’re for sure not raiding Mythic EP at this point.
30,000 Honor is basically 1 BG win and 1 Epic BG win a day for 20ish days.
Aka, 3 weeks. So like I said : 3 weeks at most for Rank 3s.
Or just get other essences, Blood of the Ennemy won’t be a massive outlier, especially not in raiding.
You said you had to gear up in PvP in Legion : you didn’t. There was no PvP gear. There was no gear in PvP. You had a fixed template and that was that.
I agree, honestly all this stuff of “tedious long mandatory grinds” that have come out ever since WoD added the aka “pug attunement quest” ("LINK HEROIC AOTC HFC AND 770 RING FOR QUIK INVITE) and now ap and then pathfinder and then 3-7 grinds to have all relevant essences after getting done with a 50 day pathfinder grind, followed by a 40 day grind to exalted at mechagon, following by two days spare parts farming since exalted doesn’t give you enough for a single r3 essence, followed by reconsidering and giving the bird to doing that all over again for the unviable dps ess.
While then having to go grind 10-20 hours in pvp for rank three sphere of repression, while also being timegated from swittching back specs to be stuck in a pvp dps spec for six days before the prices would reset, and fixxing a trait put it up to 7, and then getting back, and ALSO finding out on raider io that necro week was over and the top raider io players alternate between Gluttony tank builds with visions of perfection rank three and yet ANOTHER timegated conflict and strife that’ll take another few weeks for a tank build DESIGNED TO BE USELESS IN PVP WHERE 2/3 OF IT’S BEST ESSENCES COME FROM PVP is just dumb.
Seriously veng dhs don’t even have a 5 sec stunlock while bears start with a 5 sec stunlock, we have to use a pvp talent slot on a 3 second stunlock that gives you two globals and gets diminishing returns… Who gets killed by a tank in a 3 second stunlock of them wailing on a player with a massive veng dh single target damage? The only good thing is i can flag cap but in arenas unless the people are undergeared my partner will always be focused no matter what they are and most of it just ended up queing random fresh 120s to stand in there so i could que to kill undergeared people with 150k-200k health totals with a 100k explosion while having no ko potential against anyone in the 300k brackets and a functioning brain.