Basic question:
Should Daelin Proudmoore be potrayed as more sympathetic in the new WC3 remaster, or should the script remain unchanged from the original version?
This topic is kind of derailing the Horde PC Shame Tally (BfA) thread, so I thought I’d break it out into a separate thread. Here’s a quick summary of previous discussion:
I’d really prefer if they changed as little of the story as they could.
Regardless of the game is as it is, there’s no need to rewrite him. Also, his decisions being entirely his own are what made Jaina make the decisions she did and thus her arc in Kul Tiras in her and her nation coming to terms with that.
Rewritten only so far as to accommodate Robert friggin Baratheon.
Maybe mention Derek, but keep him otherwise the same.
I don’t see why. BfA didn’t change anything he did, so there’s no need for WC3R to. Like there was that whole cinematic where Katherine realizes Jaina was right for stopping him.
Implying he’s not sympathetic in the original version. Alliance fans have said he was right way before BfA.
Also a lot of the info we are getting now is from the Kul Tiran themselves. Of course they are going to see him and speak about him through rose tinted glasses.
There’s no reason for him to be rewritten, so no. Daelin’s character is based on the beholder’s viewpoint, probably molded by current events. We don’t need to retroactively change him to fit the current story mold.
Also I would hardly call what BfA is doing “whitewashing.” We see Kul Tirans venerate Daelin, but that means nothing to our meta-knowledge of him. By that same token, we see Daelin portrayed in a negative light during the Jaina questline, but that’s to cue Katherine in on what happened, not us. As his character stands, I find myself struggling to decide whether I agree with his viewpoint or not - Daelin’s characterization is great as is because it’s polarizing.
The only thing I want for WoW to change WC3 Reforged is just the terrain, nothing more. WoW has recieved so many retcons right off the bat that WC3’s story is enough to be in an alternate universe and I would honestly prefer that. Only Classic WoW shares the story, BC was where all the retcons began.
In WC3 the Blizzard’s Burning Legion was the big bad, not Lovecraft’s Purple Legion. Kael’thas, and to some extent Illidan, were heroes, not turned villain in BC. Illidan even had to get retconned back into a hero in Legion. WC3 had actual gray decisions, good character development, much greater plot. Night Elves were Matriarchy Amazonian Savages, not Hippy Night Elves. Draenei were Draenei and native to Draenor! Not some goat alien copy pasted Orc race but less savage and more technological advanced race that got corrupted from a demonic titan. Speaking of tech, WC3 was a FANTASY GAME! Not some tech sci-fi fantasy weird genre that makes things complicated. Battle of Lordaeron beig a prime example. Stone walls blocking the Alliance path? Exodaar can fix that with a laser. Horde invading Ashenvale? Exodaar can wipe them out. The tech has made things complicated and weird.
Why fix something that wasn’t broken? I know Activision Blizzard is going to retcon and changed WC3 great plot to WoW’s $hitty plot. Nothing can do about it so well … “will have to wait and see” how badly Activision Blizzard will ruin WC3’s plot.
Seeing as Golden is helping redo the lore for WC3, anything is possible.
I don’t want these crappy writers re-writing anything. They’re destroying the modern lore enough as it is.
But should she rewrite Daelin? Would it improve the story, in your opinion?
We were told all the dialogue and story of WC3 was being updated to match BFA. So Daelin will be a sweet old man who loves his daughter, slaughtered by the brutish and evil Rexxar for no reason.
I mean, what would be the purpose? He did what he was doing out of hatred, for understandable reasons but still out of hatred. He was flawed man and Jaina had a complicated relationship with him and his legacy, none of that should change.
The only thing they need to change is adding some Tide Sages.
HIs actions interfere with whitewashing Jaina. I mean she is essentially atoning for actions that prevented Genocide. That is hardly being the hero against the villainous Horde. They will probably just continue to ignore this, but I hardly would be shocked if he was rewritten to show the Orcs deserved it.
No re-write needed. He is only sympathetic in the sense that you can understand the underlying reasons for his hatred, but ultimately he died because he couldn’t let that hate go and couldnt see the Orcs being worthy of redemption as Jaina did. As Jaina, and later her mother said, he wouldnt listen.
I think we see the Kul Tirans celebrating him less because we’re shaming the Horde and more because the writers are world-building the Kul Tiran culture. They weren’t there and dont have Jaina’s experiences so they’ve only got half the story.
Yeah, he is fine as he was. No need to add anything extra.
nothing should be rewritten, the more retcons more the story will be derailed and ruined.
i don’t think that they should change anything,besides maybe introducing some tidesages.
Now as for daelin, is clear that the horde have proven him to be right and jaina an idiot for letting the horde kill him.
not only destroyed her reputation but also she became a criminal in her homeland and not even speaking of the genocidal maniacs leading the horde.
i think that instead of focusing in how much daelin was right, they should focus in what would have happened if he did killed all orcs, lets say that without orcs, the lich king would have won. or without thrall, deathwing would have destroyed it the world.
Also, i don’t think that daelin is being portrayed in a good light.
since katherine concludes that daelin was lost and that jaina did nothing wrong, i mean that is why she was pardoned in the first place.
like i said, the only things that i would accept is the early introductions of tidesages or names such as tandreed ect.
nothing more.