No it does not China is a total different beast…blizzard has marginal say so what happens on Chinese servers
Obviously. It’s been part of the game since it began. Also, trading gold for items or services is what the economy is built on.
No it doesn’t. I value what I accomplish in game. For instance, I finally got AotC for this tier, pugged the whole thing (well, most of it, still need the carapace kill). But I don’t consider my achievement cheapened because of people who bought a carry for the mount.
But what about the guilds who function based off of carries? What about the guilds who can supply their own reagents, mats, and repairs in Mythic using the gold that a few carries got for them?
Here is some advice for you.
- Don’t tell people how to spend their gold.
- Don’t tell people how to spend their time.
- Don’t tell people how they can and can’t play in their own RPG.
Simple.
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for me I don’t understand why someone would want to buy carrys, I mean yeah you’re doing it to get gear then what?
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I’ve done it a few times in the past, it’s usually a, “the expansion is coming to an end, I’m not in a guild, and I want that raid mount before it’s gone” kind of a thing.
Hey OP
Nah to make Alliance happy they’ll have to be High Masons
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Why it isn’t breaking any rules
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What is the point of any of it, if you didn’t actually do it? There is no point because playing the game is the point of playing the game.
But it is interesting to know that people don’t even want to play the game in end game content.
Another person who can’t see the forest for the trees.
Playing the game is the point (forest); achievements, gear, mounts, pets, ect are the perks (trees).
Why do you care? Do you need it for a quest? If not, and you don’t like the price, don’t buy it. Why would you want to infringe on someone else’s stupidity?
No, for obvious reasons.
No, again for obvious reasons.
On, no, what will people do without their 101st virtual video game dragon mount?
(And my Twilight Drake is prettier 
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I did. I am doing laundry and have nothing better to do in between loads.
No it doesn’t because those people actually accomplished it.
It is exploitative to take advantage of need; it is not exploitative to take advantage of greed.
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With a post of your size you are more preaching to the community rather than asking for our opinion… I skimmed some of your post but its just too much.
I think blizzard need to ban free text from the LFG tool. At times it is hard to find groups that are not “carry” groups because legitimate groups get pushed so far down the list.
I don’t have a problem with carry groups or charging gold, money whatever. I just want it to be separate from me, when I am on alts trying to find groups to gear up in.
Long as blizzard ties rewards to AoTC, I don’t care if people buy carries.
If people want a mount and it’s an AoTC achivement only, then 100k gold, or something to kill the boss is still cheaper than some mounts in game.
No. It’s really not all that bad in the game. Mythic-level carries are still so hard to do that if ever sold (i literally never see them) they would be exuberant amounts of money. While it sucks to see people run around with titles they didn’t earn can be frustrating, it doesn’t really affect you personally unless you let it.
Besides, we pay currencies for things we cannot do or do not wish to do all the time. Any of us could learn to sew and make our own clothes but many don’t wish to and just pay for them with money we earn doing something we do like to do, because we want nice clothes. People will do the same with gold in WoW.
Finally, these types of carries keep MANY players playing long after defeating content. Its a way to fund themselves to go buy mounts or prepare for next level content. If they could not do so, they wouldn’t play.
Well as someone who read the entirety of the post, I will say I am doubtful there is much they can do.
Like how do you possible prevent such a thing?
The back end of your post seem to be some frustration at people be jerks though so I will just omit that, and understand.
Title doesnt encompass all the problems you are bringing up either, so that could lead to confusion.
But, I will agree vote kick needs rethunk because I do see it being abused. Even if innocently, people are very keen to just kick people if they think they are the issue.
AH is w.e to me.
And I am doubtful you can make the game recognize who is doing as much as someone else. Someone could be doing bad, but I have that happen in a lot of keys (from me or others) so I don’t think that is the answer. Only “possible” option is to tune difficulties to such a high degree carrying someone would be so unbearable fewer people would do it.
It is using in-game currency for an in-game service. In many ways it is no different than paying a rogue to unlock a lock box. If somebody is willing to pay a ton of gold for a high end raid carry it is their choice. Besides, for people that were around as early as vanilla paying high-level players for a dungeon carry was common.
Just a curiosity question, but were you in the raid? I have been under the impression that many caries are shred knowledge among all of usual teammates so that they would be aware they were basically playing with fewer players. It is typically looks like they are guild carries too. On the other hand, do you go and inspect other players credentials when you see them on an achievement mount? If it is the later, I know BfA is said to have little to do, but seriously?
Earning an achievement means meeting the requirements listed to accomplish the specified goal. If I go back now and complete the requirements to earn the title “Champion of the Frozen Wastes” for the first time or meet the requirements for AOTC I have still earned both achievements.
Kind of mirrors your issue with paying for a run - simple capitalism. You can try to sell anything at any price, but that doesn’t mean people must, or will purchase it. It is an Auction House and that is how it works. We are not allowed to be political, but there are other types with basic rules that would solve your problem. Direct account gold exchange would work provided both the Horde & Alliance were eliminated as independent factions.
Where do you draw the line at easy to remove players? and for what? and who judges to what extent? Your personal example demonstrates what is essentially bad luck on your part. You fell in with a bad group and got booted, it happens to all of us.
How would such a thing even be possible? AFK is a problem, but It would be a nightmare if you were running something with friends and one DC’d or had to make a bio and was removed from your group automatically. How would there be an automatic decision of “not contributing?” I can see it now with end game raids booting heals and tanks for not being up to par. Sure, there might be an option to turn it off so that this doesn’t happen, but if there was then who would ever use it?
Kind of sounds like a put down for everybody else to not bother trying to get things, by whatever means. WoW may be a MMORPG but we are still individual players with out own goals and aspirations.
Carries are an important part of top end raiding. The sales fund the gold for flasks/enchants/boes/food/ect. Most people don’t realize just how much time goes into farming the amount of materials for a 30+ man roster (benches exist), and stuff gets expensive off the AH.
I’ve sold hundred of carries and I’ve bought a couple. There’s nothing wrong with it - so long as the carry doesn’t take it away from somebody else. (Aka: PvP carries.)
Most of the things being sold don’t have nearly as much prestige as people make them out to be. AoTC mounts are heroic level raid rewards, and the Cutting Edge mount becomes an RNG reward later. And you can usually tell when somebody’s bought the CE mount while it’s current, so. I’ve seen people get heckled for trying to show off CE mounts when they bought them, and even then that’s extremely rare.
What is wrong is LFG and chat channels being utterly spammed with this stuff.
Trying to find keys above 15 to work on my IO? Fun seeing half the LFG be sale groups.
Also, people still focusing on AoTC carries of all things when Gladiator carries are a thing and way more problematic. Okay.
It’s also a design problem that the learning curve in mythic+ now is much steeper than in Legion. And now, unlike in Legion, better players have no reason to do those dungeons. So there is no “learning curve” where players will get better by being exposed to good players and watching them play. It’s just fail group after fail group and the blind leading the blind.
Get lorded over by those who do.
You see all the complaints about limited time content on these forums?
No, because in game commerce (with in game gold, which is approved.)
Agree that it should be in a “selling runs and carries”/whatever channel. Then people who do it in regular should be silenced.
I’m also agreeing with the people that say Blizzard makes money from it, since people are probably buying a token for the carry gold. While this might seem sketchy, it makes good business sense and is good for the success of Blizzard/the game.
This isn’t something exclusive to World of Warcraft.
Throughout my years i’ve seen at least 3 other major mmorpg games have communities within that offer content-for-in-game-commerce services.
Mmorpg communities are just emulating what we do in real life, and i think that’s wonderful. 
It is a cancer on the game. If they don’t bring it to kneel, there poor game design wont be the death of WoW but these sellers will be.
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