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WoW Classic WoW Classic General Discussion
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As long as Classics Forum is more than 1 Click away from Retail it will hinder a lot of crying.

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The only suggestion I have for you is to coordinate with the 100k and figure out which servers you want to make your home when they are released. It’s what I’m doing with the Roleplaying community.

Everything else? Why should you care?

You’re making too much out of this.

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What does present employment status have to do with the price of tea in china? Would it be just as absurd if it was a developer that is no longer employed by blizzard but worked on vanilla?

Please list this “great countless number” of reasons making it separate would be “the worst possible outcome”. Surely you should have a great many of them to list and were totally not just using myriad like a throwaway term for dramatic reasons.

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I do read the general forums. You’re right, a lot of people are mad at retail for various reasons. However, there’s a ton of people who have romanticized vanilla and who are just fooling around with retail until classic comes out.

A lot of retail people will try classic, see it has huge flaws (which is why there is a modern WoW now), and leave after a bit. However, I don’t think retail will ever recover from the hit that classic deals to it. The people who stay in retail will leave because the place became a ghost town for a bit and then people will come back from classic and find even less people in retail than before.

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It has nothing to do with that. Wish you people would stop being dumb and mentally challenged.

The reason its shared is because they aren’t going to make people pay twice for subs.

Why would they make someone who will be playing both versions twice the amount.

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I think you might be sipping too much hype juice. :^)

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I literally went to the store and bought the original wow…so yes i bought vanilla. Your trying to sound intelligent just makes you look like a fool.

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:roll_eyes:

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You bought a piece of plastic and some cardboard. You did not buy “original WoW”. You bought access to it’s present state.

Irony at it’s very best.

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I had the same thought initially, but I believe he’s trying to say, “your attempt at…”, it’s just poorly worded.

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Oh, I’m not saying they fixed the flaws without adding more. There’s a reason people crave vanilla WoW, retail has gone in a bad direction. But vanilla has huge issues that were papered over a bit with addons and were later corrected in retail.

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Upon second read you are likely right. However I still got a chuckle out of it.

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The beauty of vanilla was the flexibility/customization options with plugins/addons.

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[citation needed] None of their subscriber numbers have singled out WoW from the 32 million MAUs since 2015.

Not sure if you understand how shareholders work, with this statement.

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I agree that addons are a good thing, for the most part. However, there are lots of balance issues, quest issues, game bugs, gameplay issues that addons couldn’t completely correct.

The best WoW lies somewhere in-between vanilla and retail. The game should be a challenge without having major bugs and balance issues. The social aspects should be encouraged by adding tools and ways to interact, not by allowing each person to act completely independently of the community.

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i actually think classic will superceed retail, the original reason why retail grew less popular is because of the changes that were being made that made people want to go back to classic again, it wasn’t a niche game at that time but a cultural icon, so i don’t think it has to be a niche game now and people will be happy to go back to it

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On my phone. It auto corrected i didn’t feel like fixing it.

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Such as?:black_small_square:

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It means he is not a current source, nor when he said it was he accurate. Take one look at his post, it says “I’m not 100% sure” and proceeded to tell people to just assume it was separate games for the purpose of in-game achievements and rewards.

Yet, you quote him as if it was a 100% certainty when he himself was not certain.

We’ve been through this many times. You’ve dodged the business-side questions several times when we’ve talked about this, going all the way back to when you were telling me I would NEVER get Retail “for free”, even though Retail players are still paying for Classic.

The simplest is that it creates unnecessary imbalance in Blizzard’s business model. Think of ANY pricing model that’s been suggested.

Separate games with an equal pricing model, Classic sub being less than Retail. Classic being Free with a box purchase. Every single one of these fails to continue pushing the business model forward.

If classic is any less than retail in a subscription, there are many people who will move to Classic just to pay less. And that’s lost money to Blizzard, when their whole idea of making money with Classic is only to be a positive.

Suppose you have $15 for retail sub, and say, $10 for a Classic sub, that’s $5 for every player who switches from retail to classic. Put a number, any number. 10k players? $50k in lost revenue per month. Has to made up by gaining 5k more players than Classic is already pulling in. 100k making the switch? $500k in lost revenue, meaning 50k more players needed to make up for that lost revenue. And that’s not including any expansions those people might have been buying for Retail that they aren’t now.

That means lost income from subs, lost income from future expansions, and lost income for their monetization schemes. It shrinks that business model.

Your idea was to have separate but equal subs, where Classic-only subs would have Classic-only players, and that if Retail players wanted to play, they had specific Retail+Classic realms. Special realms only for Classic-only subs! Because you’re special, and entitled to special realms because you spent ten years lobbying for Classic.

Blizzard has always been about alluring to a casual playerbase, but in the case of Classic, somehow people here think that Classic is only for fans of Classic, who’ve yelled and cajoled and screamed for ten years for a Legacy server, and not for everyone who has ever played, or ever will play World of Warcraft.

Instead, people here are so fearful of tourists and “retail trolls” that they demand a separate Classic server, game, and sub for themselves to distance themselves away from other people. I mean, I’m not going to mention the time you told me you and your friends Resent and despise Retail players and that’s why you don’t want Retail and Classic players to mix.

But, let’s pause for now, let you continue to talk about how you deserve a separate sub for Classic, for your selfish reasons, rather than giving everyone access to Classic.

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Basically all of this amounts to your feels as a retail player. You are upset that many of us do not view you as someone entitled to get classic for free. I resent and despise you specifically. I have friends that play BFA, and have played since vanilla. Very few of them feel they deserve to get classic at no additional cost.

I deserve to be able to pay separately for a specific product and to be playing with those who have also paid a separate specific cost to play it. It means more stability and integrity of the player base. Yes, I and others are ever so “selfish” for wanting the game we are going to end up paying $15 a month for to be taken seriously by the game developers rather than a bone they are tossing to people like you to keep them interested in the “real” game.

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