People always keep talking about retail tourists and such in classic… but no one even plays BFA…
I agree with everything you said except this…sort of. I guess technically there is less to do in Classic, but it takes more time to do it. I could run 4 or 5 BFA dungeons in the amount of time it takes to run one vanilla dungeon. Everything took much longer to do in Classic. For the short time I played BFA, about an hour a day was all I could do before I ran out of stuff to do. I never had that problem in retail vanilla or pservers.
It’s not about wanting to pay, it’s about the massive benefits to server health by putting up that wall. If you started it at $60 you would mostly only see vanilla fans playing, and servers wouldn’t die after the first month.
??? Pservers don’t cost anything. Normally a handful of people donate to keep them running. A few have shops that fund them. The average player plays for free though.
Yeah, but the person I quoted said that despite p-servers being free, they couldn’t amass people. Hence why price or lack thereof is not a deciding factor whether people play them or not.
Do the games interact at all?
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For a month or two, maybe. In the end classic is going to be what kills retail and itself. First it will take enough away from retail numbers that it won’t be worth playing, then people will get bored of classic again and they’ll move on.
I do think the lack thereof is for a lot of people. Many pserver players like to talk a big game about being vanilla fans and wanting a Blizzard run vanilla server, but use the smallest excuse to refuse to play so they can justify staying in the free pservers. I’ve not really played on them since Classic was announced, but have jumped on from time to time, and the general attitude seems to be that most people on pservers aren’t interested in Classic.
Of course I also don’t buy that most PC players are anti piracy all of the sudden. Obviously some are, but I imagine that the vast majority of people who really want to play vanilla have done so on a pserver.
People here are STILL arguing that they are two different games so tbey should have separate subs.
You obviously never read the general forums. The things retailers cry about and claim to quit over, are things that are many times worse in Classic. While I can see retail players trolling and messing around on Classic due to lack of anything better to do, I can’t see very many of them moving to Classic because they think it is a better game.
They are two different games, but I’m not going to argue with you over that because you already won, Blizzard caved and gave the game to retail. Classic was meant to be for vanilla fans. Failing BFA lead Blizzard to redirect the game to retail to try and retain subs. I really wish it was separate subs with a buy in. That is the only way to insure healthy servers. I could live with a combined sub and buyin, that would still give us healthy servers.
As currently planned to be released, Classic launch is going to be a nightmare. Blizzard is going to have a hard time trying to maintain healthy servers. I fully expect them to give up and implement CRZs by the time it’s said and done.
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Seems to me a pretty simple explanation of “We want people to subscribe to our service so we make money.”
It wouldn’t, but if you’re going to insist on saying they’re two different games, then you have to live with it. At the end of the day, Blizzard is going to do what’s best for business, and not what’s best for “Classic Fans”, and making Classic “separate” is the worst possible outcome for their business, for many myriad reasons.
Of course Launch is going to be a nightmare, that’s the Vanilla experience. In Vanilla, it was queue to just log in to create a character, now it’s sharding in order to handle the volume of players.
I don’t have an issue with this at launch, but lots of people here have an issue with that. If you’re going to spend years playing Classic, a couple weeks months getting the population sorted out is not that big a deal.
And of course, Blizzard has said they don’t care if ten thousand players are in Classic or if ten people play it, so the health of servers may not be high on their priority list.
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MMOs are a declining market because they all suck
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It makes exceedingly good business sense to combo the subs. Ease of access to either franchise. Think also, if they recreate TBC and Wrath, will you still be upset?
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#1 - Classic isn’t going to blow retail out of the water. Classic is good, but it’s a niche game at best.
#2 - Classic and Retail aren’t being touted by Blizzard as two separate games (because they aren’t.) They are putting them both under the same World of Warcraft umbrella, as they should be, as separate options. Just like how there are now _retail_ and _ptr_ folders in the World of Warcraft folder, they will add a _classic_ folder because Classic is going to use the same servers and client, just having certain things blocked and changed. (This is obvious if you have been paying attention to Eloraell’s awesome UI changes posts.)
Some people simply need to get over the fact that Blizzard isn’t treating this as a 2nd MMO, just a different server option for its existing one. (As it should be.)
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I like classic wow as much as the next guy but i strongly doubt it will reach more concurrent players then retail
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Who cares? We wanted Classic. We’re getting Classic. Just be happy!
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The only thing connecting the 2 games is the sub, and only because blizzard said so. Pretending they are the same game is absurd.
I don’t think “myriad” means what you think it means.
I have just as much “ease of access” to any and all of the games available via the launcher.
“Good business sense” is retailer code for “I get it for free so it’s all good”.
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Absurd is taking “I’m not 100% sure, so assume this” from a community manager who no longer works at that company as being completely accurate.
Myriad means a “great countless number.” If you’ve got some other meaning, feel free to share.
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Even if it requires a shared sub, which it does, data will show who’s playing BfA and who’s playing Classic.
Sure, they can just point to the subs as a whole just to be like, “This is how successful WoW is”, but they will still be able to see who’s playing what out of those numbers.
I’m not talking about queues or congestion in zones. You have a game that will at best pull in 100k players that actually want to play it. A game with servers that, if they are making it vanilla, will only hold ~3k players. And they are giving ~2 million people who cry on a daily basis about not being handheld enough in retail free access to that game. The same people who cried and fought for us not to get classic. The same people who are now asking for changes to make classic more like retail. The same people who demanded it be made available to them for free. The same people who whine and complain at the thought of vanilla fans getting their own servers that they can’t play on.
That is what we have to share our servers with. Players that will bounce leaving our servers dead when they get something to do in retail. And you can’t balance servers then, because when they run out of stuff to do and come back, that would create massive queues for those of us that actually play classic.
So I’m not talking about the hectic first day of launch. I’m talking about a garbage server community and garbage server health as a result of inviting 2 million permanent tourists to join what at best will be 100k players who actually want to play the game.
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