Sharding in classic is GAME BREAKING

[Enhancelord-korgath]

And blizzard has never lied about sharding before…

Show me where they did this. Every other occasion people like to bring up is actually not true.

Oh, so since everyone doesn’t level at the same speed we should only need sharding for the 1 to 5 zones then. Got it.

You say this condescendingly but this actually does fix the issues that sharding is used for.

Blizzard could easily say that all non contested zones are starter zones for all you know.

And this would be a lie. Blizzard knows what starter areas are and anyone who has played this game for a day knows what they are.

And that’s the problem with sharding. My options are deal or wait. Whereas another option would be to just launch classic same day as a retail patch. There we go. Hugely limits the tourists and everyone wins.

This doesn’t fix a thing though my dude. Do you know what percentage of tourists even play wow currently? Do you know what percentage give a flying F about a new patch? Do you know what percentage would rather be at classics launch than a patch for BfA? You don’t. This only is a fix in your perfect world, not the real world.

Can I guarantee? No. Can you guarantee that sharded launch will have no issues? That sharding will only be used in starter zones (1 to 10) and will be turned off and never turned back on? No.

Of course not, I am going by what blizzards plan in and what they told us. Which is a non issue with how they presented it to us. Anything else you are suggesting is pure speculation.

To give options that don’t include sharding and that don’t involve those who don’t want sharding waiting.

Give me a solution then. Releasing it on a patch for BfA is not a real solution that is a shot in the dark hoping people spread out. Also, this is a bad business move to make the most money so unfortunately even if this was a solution, blizzard obviously wouldn’t do it.

Why would blizzard use sharding in barrens? The demo should clue you in.

Use your head

And that’s part of the problem you guys have. You don’t see how it’s a big deal. You don’t think it’s a big deal. Guess what? To others it’s clearly a big deal.

Well guess what, I don’t really care what you think is a big deal or not. It’s not if they implement it the way they say they are going to and if you don’t like it then do as I suggested.

According to you they are wrong. Maybe blizzard disagrees.

Not according to me, according to definition. This isn’t an opinion, this is fact.

No people don’t level at the same rate, however they ate all going to be around the same level doing the same quests. Thus why some could argue it makes sense to shard. You even said it only takes 3 to 4 hours to reach level 10. Are people really going to get so far behind in 3 to 4 hours that barrens is going to be barren?

Yes, yes they are. There is still a major population on BfA today that aren’t even end level. Some people straight up suck or just don’t care much for leveling fast and just like to walk around. Assuming everyone will be near the same level is very naive.

And that’s my point. People ask why were against sharding. Because our options are deal or wait. And it’s not fair for those who actually want classic to have to wait when tourists get to start day 1. Thus why I encourage something not sharding.

Life isn’t fair bucko get use to it. Concerning sharding this is what blizzards choices are. Limited sharding and healthy populations or No sharding and dead servers. Guess which one they will most likely choose.

By launching classic on a major content patch you largely get rid or the tourists. You limit it to the 200 to 300 thousand who want classic. If blizzard servers can’t handle that something is wrong.

What facts do you have to base this around? None? You have no idea what people will choose to do with their time. Even suggesting that you do makes you out yourself as a moron.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Explain to me how this suggests that they plan on using it in later stages. Lore is there is echo what the real devs are planning. If a member of the actual dev team says starting areas, I would go off of what he said and not what a community manager left out of his post.

[Defac-aegwynn (Defac)]

What are “starting areas”?

A rational person would see this as either 1-5 or 1-10. You know this you are just playing stupid for some reason to make a really bad point.

That’s not always the case though. In this thread alone there’s advocating for sharding at least into the high-teen lvl zones as “starting zones” I’ve seen posts from hardcore raiders saying since the ‘real’ game doesn’t really happen until 60, shard away until then. The point is that “starting zones” is a somewhat subjective term. It would be nice to hear more info from blizzard about any of this. Until then it’s just a new identical sharding thread spinning it’s wheels every day.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

They haven’t. Show me exactly what instance you are referring to so I can link you to what actually happened and prove you wrong. I have had this conversation so many times before.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Then they are using that term wrong. Literally look up WoW starting areas and tell me what you find.

Also, Ion went into detail and gave examples of ‘starting’ areas so there is no confusion.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Where has blizzard lied about sharding? Rp realms.

Except lores post basically says they could use it outside of 1 to 10.

The rest of your argument is invalid based on lores post alone.

[Defac-aegwynn (Defac)]

You’ll have a hard time convincing anyone it’s not subjective when you yourself use two different examples for what it means in your own post…

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Where has blizzard lied about sharding? Rp realms.

Tell me exactly what you are talking about so I can link you the patch and tweet I know you are talking about and prove you wrong.

Except lores post basically says they could use it outside of 1 to 10.

No it doesn’t. It doesn’t basically say anything that Ion said. if anything it basically says starting zones. He said in the first initial zones. initial = first first = starting. Unless that post specifically says WE ARE PLANNING ON USING IT OUTSIDE OF STARTING AREAS then you can assume he was mimicking what Ion said first.

The rest of your argument is invalid based on lores post alone.

You are so stupid I am actually feeling embarrassed to be discussing anything with you.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Oh yeah? And what different examples did I say exactly. I honestly don’t care if I convince you or not. I am telling you facts and if you can’t accept that, I honestly don’t care.

[Defac-aegwynn (Defac)]

What are “starting areas”?

A rational person would see this as either 1-5 or 1-10. You know this you are just playing stupid for

The important bit is you using OR to distinguish that those are two possible options for what a starting zone is

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Both of which are in the same area though no?

[Wyldleaf-barthilas (Wyldleaf)]

Explain to me how this suggests that they plan on using it in later stages. Lore is there is echo what the real devs are planning. If a member of the actual dev team says starting areas, I would go off of what he said and not what a community manager left out of his post.

It doesn’t suggest they’re planning for it. It suggests they haven’t excluded using it outside of the starter zones.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

How does it suggest this exactly? You mind walking me through your mindset here? They already said ‘starting’ areas before and in this post even he said first initial zones. It sounds more like a rewording to me than a change of heart to me.

[Avarond-dalaran (Avarond)]

I honestly do not see the issue of it being competitive at the start I was there day one when OSRS came out and nobody complained about having to compete for the lowest level ores they were too busy having fun and relishing in the fact that they were able to play OSRS. If people aren’t having fun just being in Classic WoW when it comes out then quite frankly you weren’t interested in it in the first place.

[Wyldleaf-barthilas (Wyldleaf)]

Lore’s post was a response to significant community backlash on the issue of sharding. If they were only intending to use it for the starter zones it would have been very easy to explicitly state that - he didn’t. He said “especially” not “only” which suggests to me it’s on the table for other high congestion events. I think they are very careful with their language and the details of their answers matter.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

Exactly. We could easily see sharding in barrens

Of course we will. When the players flood the forums with calls for sharding to be extended, what is Blizzard going to say? “No, that goes against authenticity.” That ship will have already sailed. I couldn’t even argue against them, since at that point Blizz would have already validated that mindset by having sharding at all.

Is Blizz going to ignore these people? Largely BfA players who had Classic thrust on them for free. Which it is what it is…not going to argue payment method. But now the game is being crafted to their ideals? I’m pretty sure Brack said something about how Classic was meant for a niche community. Well, then they probably shouldn’t drive off that niche community.

So to me sharding is the great indicator of which direction Blizz is going with Classic. Who is it being made for, what is its main focus and goal.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

And surely you realize that this is an opinion of your and just pure speculation similar to a conspiracy theory that holds no actual water correct?

[Wyldleaf-barthilas (Wyldleaf)]

Haha who else’s opinion do you propose I provide but my own?

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Not saying you provide someone else’s opinion just asking if you realize that its just pure speculation that means nothing.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

As is the fear mongering done by pro-sharding fanatics.