Really? Because do we know that for sure? Has blizzard even once said for sure exactly what zones will and won’t be sharded? No. And frankly if you think about it, if their is one horde zone that should be sharded it’s the friggen barrens.
And blizzard hasn’t said for sure they plan to use sharding for sure either. So stop speaking like sharding is guaranteed.
You literally said yourself tg at those who want no sharding should just wait till it’s turned off.
Tg at means those like me, who want no sharding, should wait 2 weeks, while people who don’t even plan to stick around will be their day 1.
I disagree. I think community starts once you start to group and interact with players. 1-10 does not do this. The players you meet once you hit level 11 are going to be the same players you would have been around at level 1 anyway.
You missed out on 3 hours of conversation with your soon to be friends over a period that could be years of interactions? Boo hoo
Can you guarantee sharding stops at level 10? For all you know blizzard plans to use it up to level 20. Or maybe even level 30.
After all their will be more people in barrens then there was in mulgore or durotar. Seems like tg at would be the best zone to shard.
Sorry, but every time I see someone talk about how untrustworthy Blizzard is, I hear my dad say “tough potatoes, don’t play their games then”.
If you don’t trust the company, don’t play their games?
Or you can just argue (discuss, debate, whatever word you choose) on the forums with people who, like yourself, also have no actual impact on the final outcome, and we can verbally bludgeon ourselves until Blizzard finally just releases more official information on how they intend to handle Classic.
I know where I stand on the launch topic, now I will wait to see where they stand. But I’m also not sitting here shaking my finger at how “untrustworthy” Blizzard is based on their past decisions, because if I were to do that… well, it would just seem silly to continue supporting their products then.
So now we’ve moved from just wait 10 levels (according to you, who can’t confirm it stops at level 10, seeing as barrens would have more people then any other zone) to just deal with it? Your a real piece of work.
And that’s exactly the point. According to you. If I don’t want sharding my options are deal or wait.
That seems legit. If you launched classic at the same time as a major content patch then you won’t have to worry at all or use sharding because the tourists will be in retail.
They said starter areas. We all know what starter areas means. If they extend it to levels 10-30 then that is an obvious lie.
Why would the barrens need sharded? It’s literally the biggest zone and would have the least amount of issues.
We are talking about sharding no? Why would I talk about anything else?
No no no if you have been paying attention (you haven’t) you would have read that I have said myself, that I do NOT want sharding and I HATE sharding. But I understand that it may be necessary and I have come to terms that it is a real possibility. And I don’t see any real downside in it being in starting areas outside of the fact that I just wouldn’t want it. Also, I never said those who don’t want sharding should wait. I said those who simply CAN NOT STAND IT AND WON’T TOLERATE IT should wait in the event that it does become a reality.
Can you guarantee that when blizzard says starter zones r hey only mean 1 to 10? Because frankly barrens would have an even higher population then mulgore or durotar, so seems like that zone should be sharded by your logic.
Furthermore there are areas where it benefits to group up even in elwynn. Like the murlocs and hogger
And to some people the 10 to 20 areas are still starter areas, seeing as they aren’t contested.
Be cause while it’s one of the biggest zones, they all start quests at the same area?
Because you speak as if it’s a guaranteed thing. It’s not a guaranteed thing.
And that’s the point. You say those who can’t tolerate it should just wait. How is that fair? Maybe the tourists should just wait. Seems more fair to me.
I do understand what’s going on. I understand that right now you think it’s okay to tell those who don’t want sharding at all period to wait 2 weeks and suck it up, while people who don’t even stick around get to play day 1. And that’s bull.
That would be a lie if blizzard does this and I will be with you cussing them out. We all know what starter areas means so lets not strawman here.
Does everybody level at the exact same pace? Is everybody literally going to login at the exact same point like they will at launch? You are pretty clueless here bud.
This is literally the exact same thing? Lol I didn’t ‘move’ my argument considering these are literally the exact same argument.
That’s literally going to be the only options you have if they implement sharding, yes. I feel like this is fairly easy to grasp.
You can guarantee that? Wow you must be a farseer.
By what logic? I am literally just telling you what blizzard said, I am not implementing sharding. And why would barrens need sharded again? You realize that on launch everyone literally logins and makes their character at the EXACT SAME POINT and there is no other options. Once the whole population gets to barrens 2% of players may be level 20, 30% may be 18, 40% may be 14, and 28% may be level 11 and below, this will spread people out WAY more and create way less of a load.
And I don’t think missing out on this for the first couple hours is a big deal.
Well they are wrong. Simple as that.
And people will all level at the same exact rate? Yes or no.
I am telling you their reasons why they want it and in the event that it happens this is what I think you should do if you can’t stand it. If you would like to speak about what we think would be the best solution besides sharding then just ask and we can discuss that. That is not what I am discussing at this given time though.
In the event that they implement it, that is your only option. Period.
Explain to me exactly how this solves the issue behind their reasoning behind sharding. You do realize their reason behind sharding is specifically to combat server issues with a huge launch day. Telling tourists to wait doesn’t solve any of this because they can obviously choose NOT to wait, and you are back at the same issue that you had before, you still have sharding.
Bud your head is so far up your rear end here I’m not even sure you know what game you are talking about.
“The first few weeks when everybody is packed into Valley of Trials and everybody is packed into Elwynn, THAT is where we are looking at using sharding”
I’d argue Westfall, Barrens, etc. (zones following the absolute beginner zones that are more highly sought out, than say Darkshore, etc) also should fall on this temporary list, but yes - I agree that this is the general scope of what they’ve claimed they want to use sharding for.
And blizzard has never lied about sharding before…
Oh, so since everyone doesn’t level at the same speed we should only need sharding for the 1 to 5 zones then. Got it.
Blizzard could easily say that all non contested zones are starter zones for all you know.
And that’s the problem with sharding. My options are deal or wait. Whereas another option would be to just launch classic same day as a retail patch. There we go. Hugely limits the tourists and everyone wins.
Can I guarantee? No. Can you guarantee that sharded launch will have no issues? That sharding will only be used in starter zones (1 to 10) and will be turned off and never turned back on? No. Thus why I make my voice heard. To give options that don’t include sharding and that don’t involve those who don’t want sharding waiting.
Why would blizzard use sharding in barrens? The demo should clue you in. It’s easily the most populated leveljng zone for horde. Combined with low drop rates on items from quests it’s logical to shard it if were going with the mind set you all have.
So 68% of the population would be level 11 to 14 according to you and you don’t know why sharding would be used?
And that’s part of the problem you guys have. You don’t see how it’s a big deal. You don’t think it’s a big deal. Guess what? To others it’s clearly a big deal.
According to you they are wrong. Maybe blizzard disagrees.
No people don’t level at the same rate, however they ate all going to be around the same level doing the same quests. Thus why some could argue it makes sense to shard. You even said it only takes 3 to 4 hours to reach level 10. Are people really going to get so far behind in 3 to 4 hours that barrens is going to be barren?
And that’s my point. People ask why were against sharding. Because our options are deal or wait. And it’s not fair for those who actually want classic to have to wait when tourists get to start day 1. Thus why I encourage something not sharding.
By launching classic on a major content patch you largely get rid or the tourists. You limit it to the 200 to 300 thousand who want classic. If blizzard servers can’t handle that something is wrong.
Players will be so spaced out it won’t be necessary. Players will be playing at different times and at different levels.
You can’t seriosuly expect to be the only person within your vicinity. That’s what pro sharding players want. To not have to compete or group up to complete quests for the first couple of weeks in starting zones.
“However, realm sharding is one of the best tools we have to keep realms stable when hundreds of players are swarming the same initial few zones and killing the same few mobs (like they will be at the launch of Classic). To that end, we do believe that some form of sharding may be helpful, especially in those early days.” Lore.
Players take their cue from the in-game environment created by the devs. If Blizzard want community to be the centerpiece of Classic, then it has to be such from the beginning. They can’t send the message that convenience trumps community and then backtrack. The root will have already taken hold.