Sharding in classic is GAME BREAKING

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

Not really it’s more like saying that a large city is functionally the same as a number of isolated small cities. Either way you have a small core group of people you routinely see, in a large city you just see more strangers.

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

Not really it’s more like saying that a large city is functionally the same as a number of isolated small cities. Either way you have a small core group of people you routinely see, in a large city you just see more strangers.

so your only response is not really and a lot of jumbo that dismisses your previous claim?

k.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

huge difference between a server and sharding.

if anything ever needed to prove that ziryus is absurd to even try to have a discussion with, its the fact that he compares sharding to a server.
wow, just wow.

Ziryus as a classic example of just what is wrong with modern wow servers, when Blizzard has to put a stop to a 120 man raid in a city, you know your tech is crap.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

Not really it’s more like saying that a large city is functionally the same as a number of isolated small cities. Either way you have a small core group of people you routinely see, in a large city you just see more strangers.

so your only response is not really and a lot of jumbo that dismisses your previous claim?

k.

Yep it does dismiss your previous claim, it’s also a better analogy

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

Not really it’s more like saying that a large city is functionally the same as a number of isolated small cities. Either way you have a small core group of people you routinely see, in a large city you just see more strangers.

so your only response is not really and a lot of jumbo that dismisses your previous claim?

k.

Yep it does dismiss your previous claim, it’s also a better analogy

i didnt make any claim. i corrected you.

sharding and servers are nothing alike and your claim that they are, lacks common sense. let alone basic knowledge.

one is a container and the other sorts what is inside of it. and that is so easy, a toddler could understand.
two different things> two different functions.

people do not want to be sorted away from each other. we want to be packed in, lack of personal space and all.

[Ephemere-burning-blade (Ephemere)]

Server mergers are essentially no different than sharding. In many ways they are worse because at least with sharding you have the opportunity to play/interact with everyone on your server (as you level). With a merge you essentially get thrown into a mature server and have to forge relationships which ends up being difficult.

For the record and something nobody has mentioned is how many people will it take before someone gets put on a separate shard? 100 in an area? 300? Nobody knows. The cap limit is also an unknown. I know the vanilla servers were 2.5k cap limits initially but what will they be this go around?

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

Server mergers are essentially no different than sharding. In many ways they are worse because at least with sharding you have the opportunity to play/interact with everyone on your server (as you level). With a merge you essentially get thrown into a mature server and have to forge relationships which ends up being difficult.

For the record and something nobody has mentioned is how many people will it take before someone gets put on a separate shard? 100 in an area? 300? Nobody knows. The cap limit is also an unknown. I know the vanilla servers were 2.5k cap limits initially but what will they be this go around?

server mergers werent mentioned anywhere…we werent even talking about mergers. just normal server existence.
if we were, then you would have a point.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I find it very hard to believe there won’t be sharding. The new standard for developing software, is to distribute the load across multiple servers dynamically, as needed. A lot of software is now built that way, it accomplishes multiple good things: scalability, cost. It’s often cheaper to use several inexpensive computers than one expensive one. Another thing about this type of development, is since it is where software development field is moving, good developers who want to maintain their skill level, will simply move away from a company that tells them to develop monolithic applications - ones that scale with hardware.

the mere fact that you would even use something like sharding on an mmo is disgusting.
“hey we got this game that is all about having multitudes of people out in the game world interacting with other, we integrated this neat tech that splits them apart”.

Yeah it’s a shame MMO’s ever decided to create more than 1 server, you know that evil tech that splits up the population.

how is that even remotely the same thing?

is there no retail/pro changer that has any common knowledge, let alone common sense?

Argument, sharding splits up the community. Basic logic so do multiple servers.

Actually what splits up the community far more is cross realm content, which we won’t be getting in classic.

But once again if someone has a better idea for how to deal with the massive initial influx of people please offer it. And it has to be a solution that won’t have any whining about it or it’s no better than sharding.

okay. your argument is that it is the same basis.

so sharding, is exactly the same thing as having servers.

its like arguing that harvesting wheat, is the exact same thing as separating the chaff from it after/while its harvested. i am pretty sure they are two different things, with two different processes.

#lackofcommonsense

Not really it’s more like saying that a large city is functionally the same as a number of isolated small cities. Either way you have a small core group of people you routinely see, in a large city you just see more strangers.

so your only response is not really and a lot of jumbo that dismisses your previous claim?

k.

Yep it does dismiss your previous claim, it’s also a better analogy

i didnt make any claim. i corrected you.

sharding and servers are nothing alike and your claim that they are, lacks common sense. let alone basic knowledge.

one is a container and the other sorts what is inside of it. and that is so easy, a toddler could understand.
two different things> two different functions.

people do not want to be sorted away from each other. we want to be packed in, lack of personal space and all.

And yet at the same time they are similar in that out of the total pool of players playing WoW both sharding and separate server restrict who you are playing with.

Especially since we have no details about sharding/server size in classic. Hopefully if they get server sizes right we both won’t end up with dead servers and sharding will naturally just stop needing to be activated long term.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Server mergers are essentially no different than sharding. In many ways they are worse because at least with sharding you have the opportunity to play/interact with everyone on your server (as you level). With a merge you essentially get thrown into a mature server and have to forge relationships which ends up being difficult.

For the record and something nobody has mentioned is how many people will it take before someone gets put on a separate shard? 100 in an area? 300? Nobody knows. The cap limit is also an unknown. I know the vanilla servers were 2.5k cap limits initially but what will they be this go around?

server mergers werent mentioned anywhere…we werent even talking about mergers. just normal server existence.
if we were, then you would have a point.

Server mergers, cross realm, joined servers etc… are the flip side to not handling population control up front with something like sharding.

[Banjaa-deathwing]

You are over simplifying the single biggest issue in this game, from both a consumer and development standpoint.

I say good riddance.

[Banjaa-deathwing]

I’m agreeing with Ziryus a lot on this thread, no bueno.

Sharding is basically a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenario.

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

people do not want to be sorted away from each other. we want to be packed in, lack of personal space and all.

Not all people want that. Please speak only for yourself.

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

people do not want to be sorted away from each other. we want to be packed in, lack of personal space and all.

Not all people want that. Please speak only for yourself.

dont want what? a recreation of vanilla or bfa?

bfa is that way> with all the sharding and phasing that you could dream of.

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

bfa is that way

Irrelevant.

[Moonblade-hyjal (Moonblade)]

bfa is that way

Irrelevant.

well, you didnt answer my first question, after correcting me- for some reason.
but its irrelevant when i ask it?

makes perfect sense.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

So stop feeding the troll then. It’s really not that hard.

Anyway, I wish I could believe Blizz would only use sharding for the first days and first starting area only. If they gave some written, legally binding contract stating that, that would go a long way.

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

dont want what?

we want to be packed in, lack of personal space and all.

bfa is that way>

Is irrelevant. (Protip: Cata changed the old world. Classic is the only way to get that old world.)

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

Anyway, I wish I could believe Blizz would only use sharding for the first days and first starting area only.

I think (and hope) that is the case.

If they gave some written, legally binding contract stating that, that would go a long way.

That would be… humorous.