they did changed their mind, at some point Shamans can not use shields or generate threat anymore, you can perfectly tank 5 man in classic, but later I know shamans change , Blizzard discards the idea of shaman tanks and remove tank abilities.
I had a Shaman inadvertantly tank our RFC run last night. He had Rockbiter on and used Earth Shock. Every. Pull. It worked fine though, the healer had no problem keeping him up.
I have 4686 armor as a tank, with shield.
I am running an instance with a warrior that is in 3500 range.
The same armor bonus that gives you mail equiv, which we have mail, gives us plate equiv.
I was not aware that rogues had 3800 health at level 48.
You going to post gear or you just going to play dumb and act like you get Armor and Stamina from nowhere?
PS - You aren’t following whatsoever, Druids get an improved armor multiplier at lvl40, pushing us past the Armor of any class for the rest of the game. Druids actually have to be choosey about armor because we can blow past the cap.
Again, I’m not convinced that they had ever meant for shaman to be a tank in the first place. They were always a psuedo tank support at best.
The only things they excelled at tank wise was generating extra threat as a dps and being very capable at kiting.
Early wow classes had flavor and wasn’t afraid to think outside the box. Shaman were meant to be versatile, but they were never intended to main tank.
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Shaman should have a tank tree, we are the best class period. No bias, also…WINDFURRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY
Lol please tell me that you aren’t trying to argue that shaman are capable of higher mitigation than a bear of equal gear.
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I’ve had the opportunity to heal a dungeon with a shaman tank. It was an SFK run and the shaman knew exactly how to tank very well. If I recall correctly, it was a 4/5 guild run and I was the non-guildie. Aggro was not a problem for him. He was one of few tanks I wouldn’t mind partying with again. Needless to say, the run was very smooth and quick.
And yes, he had a taking set of gear with a shield. Something I can’t say for almost all of the idiotic warriors trying to tank with a 2-hander and can barely make it efficient.
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Maybe you should stop talking and go look at the shaman talents.
Tanking Shamans stack Stam/Agil. Thats where they get the stam.
Those warriors are ignorant, but not necessarily anymore than one who would be using a shield at that level.
The extra mitigation a shield gives at lower levels is not worth the amount of rage you lose not using a 2h.
It is not only about the threat, at the beginning shamans were tanks no problem, with shield, auto attack threat generator, and other tank tools.
have you seen the talent three?
extra armor, dodge, extra points in stone skin totem, parry.
Shamans can do a tank job because they are tanks, but Blizzard changed their minds later of what they wanted for the class and removed shield for enhancement and all their tank abilities.
But if a class can tank what is it? a healer?
I mained a Shaman in Vanilla, don’t ever remember tanking anything at 60. I was mostly just a healer or Enh.
Shamans just don’t have the toolkit to tank. It’s not just their mitigation, but their lack of a tanking kit. They don’t have taunt or any “oh crap” CDs. If they lose agro, they won’t be able to do much to get it back where as a Warrior just has TONS of ways to get it back (Demo shout/Taunt/Mocking Blow/etc)
I can see an Enh tanking 60 dungeons, but it would be more of a gimmick like how we see Veng DH or BDK solo run M+ dungeons for the luls.
And 4,990 of those are dps warriors
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I can see the Shaman talents, you get the same flat avoidance bonuses of Paladins and Warriors, and the same Armor bonus of all three other Tanks. Druids get massive Stamina and Armor modifiers in Bear/Dire Bear Forms, Paladins and Warriors shove all attacks off the hit-table with exceptionally high Block chance.
Shaman have none of these final quirks, are limited to the Stamina gains on Leather/Mail only, and limited to the Armor gains on Leather/Mail only.
You’re simply wrong. If you want to compare yourself to equivalently geared and buffed Warriors/Paladins/Druids, by all means, but the Shaman will fall veeeeeery short.
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K shamans have the ability to tank, somewhat. But they are missing the damage mitigation, a taunt, and the armor that a warrior tank would bring. While it’s possible it doesn’t seem like a great idea unless you can’t find any tanks online.
All of which is undermined by the lack of Mail sub-40, and Plate post-40, the lack of defensive steroids like Shield Block/Holy Shield/Redoubt, and the lack of scaling like Heart of the Wild/Dire Bear Form.
Couple this with very very poor itemization at level 60 for Mail defensive gear and it just doesn’t even come close.
PS - Stoneskin Totem is negligible for the Tank.
Yep, and it’s actually pretty hard to find a group as a DPS Warrior, harder than any other DPS class IMO.
As a tank Warrior, I will just not invite a DPS Warrior. Why? I want to be the only mail/plate wearer in the group (Horde, so no Pallies). Why would I invite a DPS Warrior and have loot competition when there are 1000000 other DPS hungry to get into my group?
still good tanks, just because they are not considered tanks today doesn’t mean they were not tanks, if Enhancement is tanking then they are tanks, until the patch of doom comes and Blizzard gets rid of enh tanks
You don’t need a patch of doom to get rid of Shaman tanks, just the act of leveling up will make them less and less viable and by 60 they will make for some extremely bad tanks.
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Just because you can wear a shield doesn’t make u a tank. While it’s possible for shamans to tank, no one really argued that fact, it’s a much wiser move to invite an actual tank as they have a lot of talents and skills regarding tanking where shamans are left high and dry.