And my point remains: you took more damage than a greatly undergeared Warrior on a per-hit basis despite rocking a Greater Stoneshield Potion at all times. He’s also using several pieces of DPS gear while you’re trying to inch out every bit of bonus Armor you can… with no future replacements… ever. He has minimal enchants, you’re stacked. His Quel’Serrar isn’t even enchanted haha…
This is the problem you’re not getting. You’re at your limit, and you’re getting non-trivially beaten like a drum by mobs that real Tanks can hold 2-3 at a time. The Elites have a raw base damage of 1900, and despite that you spiked down to 30% more than once. Golemagg’s raw is ~2800.
Per hit I take more damage? Then why did I tank the same thing he did, for 30% longer, PLUS another add on top, and still take only 5k more damage on the entire fight. Your thought process isn’t adding up, clearly I was taking less per hit, or not getting hit as much. Either way I’ll take it. Sure he’s not geared, here’s the point you’re missing though, the vast majority of warrior tanks are barely putting in any effort, and that in combination with the above average effort I put in allows me to raid tank. You’re the only person being laughed at, you continue to misinterpret logs and try to manipulate stats, what’s actually happening is I’m out mitigating these warriors because they’re not putting in the same effort. Raiding is easy and warriors are over powered, they don’t need to put in the same level of effort as the three other tank classes, it’s that simple and well known. When those other classes put in the work it shows, and new roles in raising are made possible.
On this particular domo fight, all extra buffs have worn off and I’m barely rocking 6k health, of course I fall to below 30% like that while tanking a mob who swings like that, it only takes a melee swing and one crit to do so. I’m not fully buffed, and I still didn’t die while having the most tanking uptime in the fight by a long shot.
You’ll take being less than a halfassed, undergeared, underperforming Warrior on content that hits barely harder than a 5man dungeon when trying your hardest?
Like I said, MT the whole place, then you’ll be considered a valid Tank for MC… but know that window is rapidly shrinking because next week folks will have BWL gear and if you need that… you’re not a Tank for the content.
You didn’t take any crits and that’s the RAW damage, before Armor, Block, and Absorbs. Despite that… you quickly took back to back damages and spiked, multiple times.
Actually, we have a discord server going specifically for advance shaman concepts, mainly dedicated to having shamans become optimal tanks (the best) in classic, as it is.
We are nerds trying to figure it out, the best shamans in na + of wow.
So now, its far, far more then dozens.
Then post your numbers, equations, models, etc. If this is the same Discord that Caperfin goes on about and you’re relying on his “spreadsheet” then you’re little more than pundits talking about aspirations without anything to actually back it up.
You mean by you? Because the vast majority of my server already does. And you’re the only person who’s seen the logs who contends I’m not. Actually, The only people who contend that I’m not a viable tank for MC are the few people n this thread, which I why I’ll keep saying it, it doesn’t matter what you think. I’m a tank lol
As i said many times, I also tanked myself, on shaman in van and bc in raid content. It is definately a viable option, but it is not optimal (At current).
The only thing that prevents shamans from being maintanks is the lack of counter to crushing blows, which is why i recently recommend blizzard add earth shield to classic enhancement with a new working, that simply grants some bonus armor and immunity to crushing (with out stacks).
I eagerly await the day when you smack one of the adds on Razorgore while the rest of the Tanks do the rest of the fight for you and you pat yourself on the back.
I honestly don’t trust this at all. You’re not even lvl60 and nothing would indicate proof to the contrary.
Like I said before… pundits. There will be no rebalancing for any class and if you think Crushing Blows are your only major weakness… no. Just no.
Yes, there most definitely will. As a game dev, i am telling you its only a matter of time before the balance patch comes. Btw, this was part of vanillas experience, was common, and often major. IF you dont like that, you can go back to the joke, illegal, pretend dev team on that garbage server nostro.
With immunity to CB, and 10% armor, the only draw back to shaman from that point is no “oh sh” buttons, but to be honest, they dont need it.
If i was to change anything else on this class i’d extend the forced taunt of ES to 4 seconds, and apply threat generated from stoneclaw to the shaman after expiration. That is absolutely it.
Until someone comes up with something substantial to match up against the mathematical certainty that Shaman are substantially inferior Tanks… no. Fact.
First of all, p-servers can kiss my fuzzy backside.
Second, no. The next “balance patch” is TBC Classic.
10% bonus Armor on MAIL, not Plate. Shaman have less Effective Health than Demonology Warlocks.
You really have no place to be having this discussion if you don’t understand that problem.
This statement implies its only shamans, actually, its all classes. Warriors are slightly better all around then other classes, and this is only because plate is optimized for counter crushing blows.
In any other sense, shamans have slightly higher armor then war in perfect bis, slightly lower out. They have more dodge, equal block and parry.
On top of that they have faster taunts, more tps, and a lot of utility, some of which gives them more mitigation by a serious about then warrior has.
So it depends on how you define that statement.
Shamans have up to about 15k armor. 10% more is another 1500 ish armor.
this thread is about shamans, not your qq on locks.
I think that to most WoW players, tanking mostly adds and just a few bosses is still raid tanking. Progressively you’d obtain more gear and be able to tank more bosses throughout the phase.
Just gonna leave this here again in case anyone forgot.
INB4 the threshold for tanking becomes some boss from a phase that is not out yet.
Also, just a friendly reminder that Fasciae has an in-game item named for him. I would post about how much better this makes his opinion then yours but he would dispute my math and tell me to do better.
I’ve had the opportunity of healing a 60 Shaman tank in LBRS. I questioned the situation when I joined the group and assumed there was some sort of miscommunication, where I was supposed to be the tank. Nope. The run went smoothly. The Shaman just had to drink for some larger pulls but I just gave him innervate sometimes and we only wiped once because someone started the Ogre event before my mana bar was full.
Shaman can easily tank lvl 60 5-mans with proper gear and understanding of the game mechanics. All saying otherwise just haven’t experienced the magic bro :-\
Which isn’t saying much of anything, which is the point. Mobs can be kited and CC’d, they don’t have much health, and they don’t hit particularly hard. Also of note is the team with them. A group of DPS able to explode the enemies so hard that no one ever gets in danger is a far cry from a group of DPS that don’t know where their AoE buttons are and even if they used them, somehow they’d still do piss poor damage. Same goes for the skill of a healer too.
I tossed in my T1/2 pieces while staying Feral and I kept a group alive through Scholo with a Warrior that wasn’t even 60 yet and a 57 Mage, so we couldn’t skip anything. I ran into mana issues every now and then because zero Restoration talents, but otherwise we did just fine. Warrior was tanking with a Mask of the Unforgiven too.
5mans aren’t the litmus test and with all the soloing going on, people should chill and just make whatever they have work.
Raids are entirely a different matter, and what the cheerleaders are fixated upon.