Shadowy Duel (PvP Talent) has been removed

[Bolor-area-52]

Lord thank you, thank you!

[Dabdaddy-dawnbringer]

like my post instead

[Christopher-grobbulus]

couldn’t believe it when I saw it. And removing Veil of Midnight too.

[Dirtymongrel-barthilas]

R.I.P Subtlety.

[Christopher-grobbulus]

poor sub having to be S- tier for once instead of S+++++ like it was for practically every arena season since inception

[Dirtymongrel-barthilas]

Nowhere near S at the moment. Took away the 1 thing they brought to the table lol. Not complaining, hated duel as much as the next guy.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

Shadowy Duel was problematic not going to lie.

But Sub does no damage outside of dance windows. Sub needs to be a more well rounded spec than a one trick pony.

[Bolor-area-52]

Petition: Remove Shadowy Duel from the game

The time has come. I don’t care if there’s another 50 threads of the same name and idea. Any ability with little to no counterplay deserves complete pruning. People can’t have a trinket for both Duel and Smoke bomb. Name one other spec with this amount of abilities that fit into the “little to no counterplay” category. Dying because your team doesn’t have a Disc priest barrier and infinite trinkets is not a skill issue.

A whole year has passed

[Dirtymongrel-barthilas]

Probably needs a whole redesign tbh.

[Kennie-malganis]

Duel should’ve been removed in Shadowlands but better late than never.

[Christopher-grobbulus]

are those sub rogue RMT boosters who rely on this still running around these days?

[Msdoubtfire-eranikus]

Praise be.

[Sifu-bleeding-hollow (Sifu)]

They also giving Paladins a see stealth talent and buffing DH spectral sight, yuge Ws all around

Stealth has been dominating wow pvp for 20 years, it’s about time Blizz slaps it down a peg

[Alodorx-tichondrius]

@Sifu-bleeding-hollow

They also giving Paladins a see stealth talent

When they press Divine Shield…
Totally worth the slot

[Sifu-bleeding-hollow (Sifu)]

Yeah they should change it to when they use any Blessings

[Fylerz-blackhand]

yeah the seeing eye thing only during divine shield is the worst pvp talent in the game…

Paladin pvp talent are really weak outside of 2 amazing ones

[Ichiros-tichondrius]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Sub needs to be a more well rounded spec than a one trick pony

Disagree.

Watching sub rogue get slowly morphed into another M+ rotation monster has been pretty rough.

[Sil-hakkar]

This change is warlock approved

[Xyranica-moon-guard]

Idk. I play a lot of classes with rogue being one. I really liked duel in general as it was incredibly unique like Mord’s ult in WoW. Removing it is just removing more fun, flavor, and identify. Much like fury’s double leap.

Had a lot of offensive and defensive utility based on how and when it’s used. It still had counterplay like AoE’ing it with heals or CC or just saving your CC for the duel if you’re in it.

When I’d get dueled I’d usually say “BONESAW’S GOT YOU FOR THREE WHOLE MINUTES!” But that’s just me I guess.

[Kirenaika-daggerspine]

Great day for PVP!

Many toxic talents removed:

• duel
• physical cloak
• the outlaw “brawler” talent

loving it