LOL you still sound mad. Maybe take a break?
Yup. Definitely mad.
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But the alternative to do nothing would be even worse.
âHey guys, letâs pretend that we did nothing wrong, and when anyone brings up Teldrassil we pretend to be deaf. Got it?â.
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But that is what they want.
That is how they would like things to go. Getting to spit into other peoples faces, walk on their sand castels and then not getting any scolding from it but can praise each other for it.
This is the Horde playerbase as it has allways been. NOT a single inch of self reflection.
I know, and I donât think thatâs a good solution either. 
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Youâre a far worse person in this regard than the strawmen you imagine the horde playerbase to be~
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Actually, I think his âdisconnectionâ is all in his head. He never lost the connection, just the mental headspace to use it.
No, this is what you project on to Horde players. Horder players donât like Baine because he is an ineffectual milksop who talks a lot and achieves little and seems more interested in justifying what others do to his people than actually looking out for their interests. Remember this was the guy who was all like âdonât fight the quillboar who are raiding us because you might antagonize themâ in his leader short story and banished Tauren who decided to fight back against the Alliance invasion in the southern Barrens including one fellow who had his whole tribe wiped out, children and all, by the dwarves. Funny I donât see them getting held to account for that either.
Ok now you are projecting and making crap up. The Horde playerbase was insensed by Teldrassil. It was a HUGE stink. The rage only started to subside when Old Soldier came out. Seriously, stop demonizing people you donât know, telling them what they did and feeding your victim complex. As I said in another post, this isnât healthy. Your posts positively drip with hate.
What happened to the NEs wasnât our fault. Most of us didnât want it then and certainly hate it was forced on us now. You really need to come to grips with that. You want to hate on the writers for what they wrote, fine. I donât think it is healthy and honestly you seem to take this way to personally, but at least it would be towards the ones responsible. The Horde playerbase however hasnât done jack and everything you think they have done is stuff your attributing to them with very little justification or proof it actually happened, seemingly because you want a target to lash out hatefully at.
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I have SEEN your Playerbase CHEERING AND MOCKING NE Players for it!! It have SEEN IT! Donât try to wiggle around it.
You faction was at an all time party mode during WoT and before!
I have seen the MMo champ forum posts, the wowhead comment section THIS forum!
No I hate your faction because of that, not because of the writing. Sure you are not responsible for the writing, but for how you have acted with it! How you have responded to it!
Everything was great for you till it became clearer that Sylvanas was evil. After that you hated the writing in fear of losing her, not because of what has been done in Teldrassil. At that point you were happy.
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Geez. Come on, this is a videogame, iâm invested in the characters as much as anyone else, but Teldrassil wasnât a real life event.
It kinda sucks that Amadis keeps posting those interesting lore bits for a healthy discussion, and we get legit thoughts here on How Thrall feels about all of this, what Tyrande is going through and people try to make other players feel guilty about story events they didnât have a say in it.
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No, you see, itâs perfectly normal and healthy to scream at horde players over a story beat that they too hated. /s
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The bit you quoted isnât Thrallâs thoughts on Tyrande, thoughâitâs Tyrandeâs thoughts on Thrall.
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Tyrande throwing shade at Thrall for not immediately stopping Teldrassil is a bit hypocritical as well considering Tyrande herself stood back and let the Tauren get massacred by Cenariusâ grandkids without lifting one finger to help.
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False.
FTFY.
You mean when people found out she had Teldrassil burned? Because Horde were upset about that even before it was confirmed. This is why people were upset with BfA becoming MoP 2.0. You can ignore that though since it doesnât fit your agenda.
Keep seething.
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Seriously, Blizzard lied to the Horde Playerbase, said Sylvanas wasnât Garrosh 2.0, then immediately makes her Garrosh 2.0? Yeah, everyone was super happy about thatâŠ
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You realize the dwaves responsible for that massacre all died? Thatâs the quest that the lone survivor gives to horde adventurers. The Alliance then came during the cataclysm and used Bael modan as an outpost. What more do you want beyond killing all those responsible?
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You have seen individual players doing it. Stop painting the entire playerbase with the same brush. Seriously, you need to chill out. You are way to worked up about a fictional story. Large amounts of people were pissed. If you were paying attention at all when the end of the War of Thorns was happening you should have realized that. Christie Golden got hate spammed on Twitter for crapâs sake by angry horde players.
It would take very little attention just bothering to read Horde posterâs posts on this forum to pick up that there was a lot of Horde players very unhappy with getting villain batted again. Hell even those who clinged to the hope that there might be a silver-lining seem pretty dismayed these days. Your so obsessed with your view of things that you arenât bothering to actually see what other players views actually were. Instead your taking a few people who like trolling or âplaying the bad guyâ and deciding all Horde players are scum that deserve hate and punishment. I stopped playing WoW in BfA because I was so disgusted with the story.
Stop telling us what we think. Stop telling us what was âgreatâ for us. That is no better than us telling you not to be upset with the writing you got.
You need to get a grip because A) your not going to get what you want and B) all your doing now is spitting hate and rage at people who did nothing to deserve it.
A) is for a simple reason. Unlike apparently you, the vast majority of Horde players would simply stop playing if Blizzard made them feel the way you apparently do, particularly after the crapfest that was BfA and the rehash of MoP we got. Blizzard devs probably like their jobs. You need Horde players if you want any more content to exist for your precious NEs. Without us, our revenue and the function we play in the two faction systems like PvP, WoW would be a pretty unhealthy game.
Now you might not consider Horde playerâs problems with BfA worth acknowledging, since they arenât important to you, but that doesnât make them any less valid. To tell Horde players their issues arenât valid as just as bad as someone telling you that you have no reason to be upset over how NEs were treated. No one had âEverything greatâ in BfA. It was a stupid mess for everyone.
Try, just for a moment, to consider other peopleâs side of things. This game is a social game and as such the views of all the players are important. It is the same reason I continually say that having the situation swap and the Alliance getting slapped with the villain bat would be no better. Not because it would force the Horde into the victim role. I donât want that. But because I donât want Alliance players to get the same crap we have had to swallow since Cataclysm.
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I am not asking for anything. Honestly it wasnât really relevant to my point on Baine beyond his treatment of the guy. I suppose I mentioned it in passing in reference to those who seem very eager to say that the Horde as a whole deserves to be slaughtered for what happened at Teldrassil yet donât seem to feel that the Dwarves deserve the same thing for what some of their number did. Kind of pointing out a double standard. I mean to be fair the scale was very different but still, double standard. I have seen players defend the Dwarves responsable for doing it.
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Would you be okay with the entire Horde military being killed, since all of them were responsible for Teldrassil? That is after all the fate of those dwarves.
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So if Iâve got this right, you want to be proud of the horde after committing genocide without ever having atoned for it or tried to make up for it? Ergo, horde players are asking to be proud of such atrocities.
Imo, if horde players really wanted to be proud of the horde theyâd accept they had to make up for something in order to be able to feel pride again. Otherwise your just asking to be the evil faction.
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The entire Horde military wasnât responsible. At best it was Sylvanas, Nathanos and the people crewing the catapults and the Shaman spreading the fire. Considering the apparent death toll of the war, I wouldnât be surprised if a lot of them arenât already dead.
We didnât want to be forced into this position in the first place. Just for moment imagine if the situation was flipped and it was the Alliance which was in the Hordeâs shoes right now. Would you really want it rubbed in right now that you were forced villains that should be grovelling for forgiveness from the other faction?
We donât want to feel punished for something we had no say in and most of us never wanted.
Your really fixating on this. I said I didnât want anything. However since you are bringing it up, the dwarves of that base seemed all pretty involved in what happened. The most of the soldiers fighting in the War of Thorns were fighting under the plan that Teldrassil and its population would be taken alive. The whole point was to have a hostage to ensure that Genn whispering in Anduinâs ear didnât lead to the Alliance using Azerite as a weapon against the Horde. Hell, we even had a quest where we got NE non-combatants out of the fighting during the War of Thorns to avoid civilian casualties.
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So, do you think it was wrong that all those dwarves died, when only their leader should have been slain?
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