Let’s be honest here. The Purge of Dalaran, while bad, is nothing close to a genocide. It was forced expulsion from a city. It was not wiping out an entire race. People were even allowed to just leave should they not decide to fight which ended up getting them either killed or locked in the Violet Hold.
The only other time would be the deal with Garthios. You know, Garthios. The guy who ended up killed (and I think eaten?) by the Forsaken. This is one of those situations where the perpetrator is long dead and therefore wouldn’t be seen as something the rest of the Alliance really cares about. Because yeah…he’s dead.
Kinda like how the Horde really shouldn’t feel the need to constantly tank Teldrassil whinging because the architects of the War of Thorns that lead to the Burning have either died trying to make amends for his mistakes, or took off to join the Maw which means.
That’s true. And there was a particular focus on the emotional resonance that’s often missing, but as an act of slaughter it’s hardly outstanding for WoW. Remember literally, explicitly ‘nuking’ the entire Stormpike army in Cata era Hillsbrad? Those you don’t poison or rip the souls out of, anyway. Or the many goblin-massacres, if you’re alliance.
Gnolls and Quillboar got over it, Nelves can as well.
Yea, I can’t agree with that. As said, it’s easy for you to do it. And I find it extremely frustrating that you are so willing to put down any grieviences Alliance players have against your faction. It’s frankly disrespectful.
Name one. Because if you think Dalaran does, then the Horde has genocided the Alliance multiple times. Once when they killed the humans still in lordaeron. Twice when they tried to do the same to the Gilneans. Three times when they attacked the dwarves in Hillsbrad. Forth when they dropped the manabomb. And fifth when they burned Teldrassil.
These are the ones I can think of now. But there may be more. Now tell me something to match this.
I know a common complaint was that he wasn’t “modern” Alliance, but the humans of Dalaran and Bronzebeard troops went along with it.
And immediately after Belves are added back into WoW, the first thing the Alliance does is send saboteurs and spies to screw with them despite the belves being willing to do peaceful diplomacy, and being directly under threat of scourge invasion.
This is how I know you’re not arguing in good faith:
The mana bomb that killed like two people is apparently genocide to you
but
The Alliance attempting to murder a city’s worth of goblins who weren’t involved in the faction war, openly building their kingdoms off genociding trolls, and launching a campaign of civillian extermination in the south barrens isn’t “genocide”
Why do you mention what the old alliance did, when you know that what the old horde did was by an order of magnitude worse? And if you assume that the humans genocided the trolls, why can’t I assume that the trolls did the same, when they spread their empires?
It’s rich that you call me out for not arguing in good faith, when you try to compare garithos to Theramore. Or anything to Teldrassil.
And specifically assassinating shopkeepers. Which is a morally great thing to do that nobody should reflect on or feel bad about because the “good guys” did it!
Oh really? Probably need to do the questline again. Because I do remember some Sunreavers just porting out the city or just leaving (at least on the top part. Crap went hilariously off the rails when you get to the sewers and you had that guy drop a man into sharks.
Still my point remains the same. It was forced expulsion of the city. Not a genocide. The sindorei as a people would be fine, if pissed off. Not like the Sunreavers seem to be holding that much of a grudge anyway, what with them quickly rejoining the Kirin Tor and getting back into Dalaran as soon as Jaina rage quit.
It’s almost as if the WoW writers wrote it so there were no longstanding repercussions for the Alliance doing something heinous so arguing that the Horde playerbase should have to suffer is hypocritical!
In this case. Yeah. It is hypocritical. It’s why I don’t sit around and whinge forever about Teldrassil, repercussions, and all that stupid stuff that will never happen.
I will however point out that the Purge of Dalaran, while yes was absolutely sh–ty, was not that big a deal all things considered so calling it a genocide is a Mr. Fantastic stretch to try and make it look far far worse than it was.
Another thing though. While the purge of Dalaran was done by alliance members, Varian was against it from the start, but since Jaina didn’t answer to the Alliance he couldn’t do anything about it.
I think that’s why the alliance suffers from this whole Can do no wrong phase they been going through. The Devs tend to forget that technically no one answers to the king of Stormwind…execept you know, the Stormwind army and it’s people.
It’s why I loved when Tyrande and Genn told Anduin to shove it when he refused to send troops to help take Darkshore.
To be clear I’m not trying to argue that everything balances out or one thing is worse than the other.
I’m just saying that both sides have done awful things, so arguing that you should specifically target the horde playerbase to try to guilt them for story beats they didn’t want is a really dumb idea.
I agree with this as well. Even if there are horde players on the edgy side of things that were on board with teldrassil (and there are alliance players ready to make a crusade on the horde if it was the case). The events of Teldrassil weren’t decision of the players, Horde players don’t even directly participate in it, just in the events leading towards it. Is just the structure of the game, no one should feel bad for picking a side.
Its the amusing limitation of the High King that this board doesn’t understand.
When Anduin says to do something and people do it, it’s because they agreed to follow suit. Unless it’s something players don’t like, then it’s the High King forcing them to do it against their will because he’s the Emperor.
But when people refuse or do something he’s not a fan of, it’s them standing up to the man because they are not his servants…when they are literally exercising their right to command their own forces because the High King only has command of the forces given to him.
(And a minor pet peeve, Genn himself didn’t tell Anduin to shove it. He quite calmly just said “Look I’m going, with our without your blessing.” To which Anduin gave so yeah…)
I know the Alliance have done bad things. Both the new and the old one. What drives me up the wall is you trying to make it appear as if they have both inflicted the same ammount of greiviences against each other, which is a flat out lie. It wasn’t true before bfa, and it is absolutely not true after.
Will you be able to feel good about a horde that commits such atrocities that never tried to make up for it? For a horde that would have done as much damage to Azeroth as any Xpac villain? Imo, if I were still a horde main I wouldn’t be satisfied until we atoned.
Maybe we just have different ideas of what the horde should be.
