Class hall? Wasn’t that legion. I don’t remember camping you guys in legion it was bfa. Also to find prey you gotta use that /who. It’s way better than just roaming around hoping.
I go away for a few days and this explodes in activity, nice. next step is to go to your battle net app, choose a character, login and click warmode on. then just go where ever your heart leads you.
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Your hard pressed to find a fight even in Stormwind these days.
Went there at like 8pm a few nights ago, was only like 5 people in trade district…
That’s kinda how its been the last 2 expansions though.
/Sigh dude… You keep saying this but seriously go play alliance. You’re literally part of the problem.
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I’m not going to fix anything by switching. I have no drive to do anything, on either faction, if you would have read OP, you’d know im not playing period.
Me pointing out an issue, does not mean I care enough to do anything about it.
Alliance needs LEADERS not 2-3 people to switch. There’s already a playerbase, and people looking to fight, just no LEADERSHIP. (well maybe not right now, since SL is kind of dead atm. but yeh.)
Maybe if I keep capitalizing LEADER youll get the point.
Most of the guilds Alliance side that WPVP arent looking to do larger scale stuff, and thats fine and has its place. But there has to be someone out there to compete with the larger Horde guilds that will eventually come through. And help those smaller groups thrive/take away some of the heat.
Near the end of BFA, definitely. But mid way through, nah. Mechagon/Nazj era was fun.
Blizz gave you plenty of incentive to turn wm on then. Like was said earlier CTAs, Bounties in Zones, crate drops, the world quests were actually worth doing then. etc. etc. Nothing like that now, pvp world quests that give you as much honor as killing a player…
BFA was actually better than SL has been so far. WPVP wise… BFA tanked once we got corruption and stuff.
BFA tanked waaaaaaaaay before corruption. That’s a silly thing to say
Nah.
The first patch or two was, meh. (kind of like SL now…) Then Classic came out right when, imo the best patch of BFA came out. By then the damage was done. But anyone that stuck around knows that Mechagon was a blast.
I think even if next patch is great for SL, its going to be the same thing. Everyone will be on BC or quit again. (i dont think next SL patch is tho, unless blizz adds a lot more stuff/incentives than they currently have shown.)
Having wpvp and people to kill is one thing, which this expac still has kind of. The wpvp that’s missing is meaningful wpvp where you’re killing people in the world that you know and are actually going to have a rivalry/friendship with.
The start/mid of BFA in this case was good since you were still mostly fighting just ED peeps, but towards the end it was mostly random off realm people looking to get their wpvp quest cap. People using LFG tool to either finish said quest or their rep quests for the Uld/Vale zones.
No wpvp quests does hurt activity for SL’s case, but I think the main issue that the last 2 expansions had that this one doesn’t is a grindable currency that directly adds to player power (artifact/azerite power). That’s the thing that had a lot of people doing a lot of their WQs and daily grinds in each zone that helped take advantage of the warmode resource increase. Without those, a lot of the newer crowd don’t have target zones that they can easily find people who are out grinding.
A good showcase of these issues can be kind of seen through Sev7n last movie*, the large majority of fights are in said targeted zones and most of the people we fought were off realmers either coming to ED or us going out to other realms to fight people. Only exceptions were him being alone in, again, said grind zones or when we were hitting ED’s Org which has always had a lot of people even past midnight, while ED’s Stormwind hasn’t been all that active on a regular basis since Legion.
EDIT: I think the biggest issue that is that Blizz is no longer concerned about making realms stronger by themselves and focusing on community aspects, they’d rather bandaid it and make cross realm/lfg tools to bring together the shattered communities so less people are left out of aspects of the game, making a lot of the population focused on just doing this with random people rather than making people play with long term relationships.
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I agree with you that mechagon was peak wpvp in BFA, but what I’m saying is that the problems that lead people to stop playing retail in BFA were evident very early after Legion. I think Mechagon was the best of a bad situation, but saying Corruption is where BFA “tanked” is just false
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That last Nzoth patch of BFA was just garbo with the cloak and stuff. I blame it for a lot of the drop off at the end of BFA. And the corruption powers were so broken.
Also, most of the people that were WPVPing frequently just did not care to do that stuff or gear, especially on alliance side. Remember that boot camp we tried to throw for everyone to try and incentivize them to get stuff? (cant remember if you were there, but it was just Seven one shotting folks that thought they were great wpvpers that didnt need gear lol.)
I think that stuff honestly just discouraged most folks tho haha.
Bring back WoD pvp gearing and alt leveling…
Most of the Folks on ED, Alliance side, had bailed around that time, for WRA. I know someone here earlier tried to make it out like it wasnt a big thing, but it really hurt Alli side.
But yeh, I agree, the game has a lot of issues that need fixed. and was what my original post here was about, until it got turned in to being about ED.
Which ED really just needs some folks stepping up, to make the best of a bad situation. And thats been something its needed awhile. But, no one is up to that. (and im not looking for anyone to be, or asking for it, just calling it like it is.) Like the Boot Camp I mentioned with Zenal… there are alliance players looking to do that stuff, just no one running it.
I remember that, I mostly remembered Sledge talking repeatedly about how undergeared most of the people were undergeared and wouldn’t really label as part of the wpvp crowd, they just were people who did wpvp. Seven and I are the kind of people who will push heroic raid and max key levels just to get an advantage in wpvp with stupid toys and gimmicks cause that’s what a lot of it was long ago. Legion people don’t really get Seven and I’s levels of wpvp tryhard.
I even remember a few of us offering to do 15 key carries for members of the group just to help gear them up.
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I really wish retail was good. I really do. I tried for a very long time to keep ED special. I hosted events, I attended events. I founded an RP-PVP guild. I showed up for WPVP, I did forum PVP. There is nobody in this community that can say I didn’t carry my weight or lead by example. The problem is the game just isn’t fun anymore. WM and sharding are 100% the biggest factors in why retail is not worth playing. I really wish that wasn’t the case because I miss playing a goblin main but the fact is WM/Sharding/retail handholding/ microtransactions/ LFR zerging = a game nobody wants to play. I never looked back once I switched to classic (except to shi!post on these forums for the lols) and until Blizzard eventually finds a way to ruin classic which they 100% will, I’m just going to enjoy it while it lasts.
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Yeah, Horde does a lot more of the super gearing for WPVP. (well just more people that are doing stuff to gear, and then coming out to fight.) That combined with just having a numbers advantage…
It was good when you guys were around, there just wasnt enough of you lol.
I firmly believe that if there was a big enough Alliance guild, that started making waves with these horde guilds, it would help ignite the rivalries everyone is looking for and get folks out.
And Horde GMs need to let those folks do that, and not recruit them… 
(and if you dont think rivalries can happen anymore, see Althaloz above…but our two guilds were VERY active in BFA.)
I wish you all good luck with retail. I will be sure to quote this thread in a year or even next expansion. ED will never recover without the removal of War Mode. Write it down. Complain all you want about balance, rewards, this and that. ED never needed that before War Mode. The community corrected itself. War Mode and Sharding are 99% of the problem.
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There’s a guild called War Council on Alliance that has been attempting to World PvP more.
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From an alliance perspective, WPVP feels pretty sparse too. I’d love to get a group together and stir up some fights but I never find enough people in WM to warrant it when I’m out solo. I’ll spend the night going from zone to zone and the most exciting fights I find is just killing multibox farmers, which isn’t saying much lol.
IDK if its the zone design or what that seems to have really stifled WPVP, because even at the beginning of the expac when tons of people were playing it still felt pretty barren in the open world.
I’m also holding out hope that the new Maw zone will help spark some life into Shadowlands. Even if BfA wasn’t peak wpvp I still had no trouble finding fights when I wanted to. I miss that.
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Nowhere near the quality of a Seven or Muff Johnson production but we tried to keep the wpvp rivalries alive
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Yeah, how many times i got to say, theres no community leaders left alli side. Especially not doing wpvp.
Kind of hard to “correct itself” when theres nobody left doing stuff, just a lot of people complaining.
No one is playing the game. I have friends on both sides and 95% of them have quit. War Mode has killed ED. I repeat, War Mode has killed ED. There is no community for the leaders to lead. Heltor is right. Your mog is trash.
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