In BFA having WM on was rewarded with conquest from CTA, Battle for nazjatar, war crates, assaults, and bounties. Now we only have bounties and people insta log them.
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There are almost 250 realms (maybe half formerly being PvP realms), and WPvP died on all of them except ED a long, long time ago, way before war mode and phasing/sharding ever existed. You’re sitting here trying to troubleshoot ED’s issues when you have over a hundred other examples to look at that all point to the exact same core issue. It died on these realms because of faction imbalance, and a couple years ago when ED became imbalanced, it died here as well.
If you look at every single one of those realms, you’d see faction imbalance of 60:40 or worse. 60:40 seems to be the tipping point, and that’s exactly where ED has been at for awhile now. It creates an environment where if you’re in the 40%, you see an overwhelming amount of red when you go out in the world, and if you’re in the 60%, it starts becoming very challenging to find people to fight. It’s not fun for either side.
It’s easy to use war mode as a scapegoat, and war mode is a problem, but WPvP here fell off a cliff mid-Legion, before war mode came out. I know because I was out every day doing it. Tons of Alliance guilds broke up, or realm/faction transferred, and there was never a meaningful push to correct it. If you got rid of war mode and phasing/sharding today, WPvP wouldn’t improve at all because the Alliance would be outnumbered and would just get farmed. We’d be right back to where we were at the end of Legion.
Blizzard doesn’t care about WPvP, and people like Ion aren’t competent decision makers and will never be able to fix it. ED was the last realm to fall, and now that it has, WPvP done for good in this game. There may be a few events/skirmishes that pop up every once in awhile, but we’ll never go back to the consistent organic battles we used to have.
You can also thank these idiotic frankenguilds like Ruin, Cryptids League, Terran Empire, etc. for their part in making WPvP completely unplayable/unenjoyable for literally everyone, due to either being completely lagged out or being put in a 1v80 situation. They’re collectively some of the most moronic people I’ve ever come across in this game.
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The problem really isn’t Warmode as much as it is that people just don’t put the effort in anymore. The lack of effort is the root issue and has been since late MOP.
Emerald Dream used to be a realm of legends: legendary figures who rallied and challenged those around them to create unique player created content. Often, these were people who “did their time” to achieve their relative fame: forming guilds from nothing, coming up with new ideas, fighting as the underdog against superior numerical forces, etc. We had truly charismatic individuals running or helping run guilds, forming events, and creating alliances.
I’d like to think they did it because they truly enjoyed what they were doing. They ended up creating amazing experiences for the rest of the realm and for that, were rewarded with well-deserved attention. Our realm consistently had its forum posts on the game-wide trending list. Some of you may remember all of this. People from other realms were so accustomed to reading our threads they knew all about our server wars and drama.
Eventually, all of this talk inspired some people to come to the realm, seeking their own fame and fortune. I think that’s where things went downhill. Hard work, competence, and sheer will power were quickly replaced by laziness, entitlement, and a horrible insatiable need for attention.
The desire to see oneself talked about by others made Alliance coordination impossible. These individuals hoarded player numbers yet never used them–afraid to see youtube videos made of them being wiped. Not only did they not fight themselves, they tore down anyone else trying to, calling them feeder guilds or attacking their ability to play. I guess if they couldn’t have the attention and glory, no one could. Ironically, they’ll now sit around and complain about how World PvP doesn’t exist and the world isn’t dangerous anymore. When the world was full of roving raids (both Alliance and Horde) they sat on the sidelines with the rest of the peanut gallery.
Sure, Warmode sucks, but there’s still plenty of opportunity to have World PVP. A lot of people on this board will trash RG/TAE for their large raids roaming around. They pretty much televise everything they do, and if you’re willing to put in the effort, you can set up clever ambushes with your geared players. Go check out the ilvl of some of RG’s players sometime. They die like NPCs.
Most of the people complaining won’t do that though. They’ll sit around talking about the “good ole days,” claiming association with something they never truly contributed to.
postscript: I think Discord and Twitter did more damage to this realm than Warmode ever did.
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The problem is DEFINITYELY war mode lol. Do you think back in the day if people had the opportunity to hide they wouldn’t have done so? If war mode had been introduced in WOTLK then ED would’ve died in WOTLK. If war mode had been introduced in MoP then ED would’ve died in MoP. Yeah people now aren’t the same as back in the day, obviously the new generation of WoW players are retarded and annoying. We all know that, but the fundamental difference maker, no matter how you look at it, is war mode. War mode gives people the ability to hide, hence why they dropped the PvP from our RP server. ED was alive as an RP & PvP server. ED is no longer a PvP server and it’s barely an RP server.
WAR MODE
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You can really tell who actually plays and talks to other people who play/lead guilds, and who doesn’t.
Not just the realm, the game in general. The Bnet and in game Communities too. That allow things like Cryptids/Ruin/Terran to be large cross realm things.
The realm hopping trying to find a fight is not something I’ve ever enjoyed. You waste so much time to maybe fight once, lag out the server, and leave.
Right, all the thriving WPvP we had during the second half of Legion. Guess you either weren’t around or weren’t paying attention.
I agree with you and I’d also point out that Twitter exacerbated the personality issues I mentioned in my post.
Discord is problematic for a couple reasons.
First, before Discord, guilds and communities required a monetary investment from people seeking to create them. There was essentially a type of gatekeeping system built in because of that. Once Discord became popularized, we saw a lot of well-established guilds splinter and many, many more random FOTM guilds form.
We could probably best describe Discord as turning a game that was guild centric into something that was much more fragmented. ED’s best times were when being in a guild meant something. I think Discord really took away from that.
Second, Discord made it much easier to create and maintain these mega communities. I think back when Teamspeak 3 was a thing, WSB was paying 60 bucks-70 bucks a month for our server slots. Aside from the finances, think about just how much easier it is to organize these large multi-server communities with Discord.
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Yeah.
Twitter is also the reason most players leave warmode off until they are running with a full crew. If they ever turn it on at all.
Nobody wants their SS posted up.
I made this during legion, so yeah I WPvP’d extensively. I’m not saying there isn’t other contributing factors, I’m just saying the most blatantly obvious reason ED died is when they took the PvP away from our RPPvP server with the addition of war mode.
Legion WPvP sucked btw, everyone was getting 1-2 hit, it was never thriving. Every expansion has seemingly been worse than the previous one, and I can’t think of any exception to that trend.
You guys can argue this stuff until you’re blue in the face, but it just seems like you’re desperately trying to convince yourself against what is obvious to everyone. Realistically the decline in subscriptions is consistent with what we’re saying. I’ve been on ED since the server was created so if anyone has their finger to the pulse, it’s me. If war mode disappeared tomorrow you would see the server slowly come back to life. But you won’t, everything runs it’s course eventually.
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We will never forgive you for running over Turwinkle!
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He’s a pedo, I did the world(of warcraft) a big favor
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Yeah, the mass exodus to WRA was because of Warmode.
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It wasn’t a mass exodus you dumb-dumb. Do you think that was even 1% of ED’s population? It wasn’t. What you think was an exodus was actually a small minority of very vocal brats, it just so happens to coincide with a general rapid decline in subscriptions.
Your transmog still sucks btw, you said you were gonna fix it and didn’t. I’m very disappointed with you.
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Yeah you know from experience.
You’re the type of person Himanshu is talking about.
Thought you were a big shot for a few days, was cute.
Just the people that ran and did events, that people liked to attend and/or crash. Folks that were likely to just hang out in zones. But yeh, nobody special.
Warmode isnt great, but its far from the main reason this realm is like it is. Just easiest for folks to point at.
Like even if this realm was still strictly pvp, those people still left.
Like was said, you can hop to other realms and find action. ED’s just done, theres no fight left in the folks here. General consensus is just, “itll never be like it was.” and they’ve given up.
If people really wanted WPVP, theyd have it.
But again, this is all just getting off base on and on to ED issues, and away from OP of… Shadowlands just being a bust. (and just kind of kicking a dead horse.)
We forced the issue for for 2 xpacs. Ganking pretty much every night…anyone we could find from ED, making videos, taking bounties just to keep it interesting. There were some fun nights but honestly Warmode made it a ghost town.
The most telling thing was when you unflagged, you saw tons of ED folks in pussy mode.
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Exactly …
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It’s a close-knit guild made up of friends. We have deep respect for each other and don’t count on numbers to make us “great”. Thanks for noticing that, Mort. 
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BuT JIm wE’Re ranKEd 40,000 ON tHe ServEr aNd OnLY 5/10
If you have WM you saw us that’s for damn sure.
Have plenty of Horde characters as well and see lotta blue names in Org/Oribos. So it’s not just Alliance. Damn right, more Ally should turn it on, but the incentive isn’t there like it was in BfA. And new xpacs bring in new cowards.
Hopefully the new zone will put somewhat of a pulse back but with Blizz’s terrible class balance the last 2 xpacs (maybe last 3?), I doubt it will be back to what it was.
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Yeah I was a pretty big shot when I was purging your guild. You got so tilted by that you had to message jim to try to make me stop lmfao. Not to mention the memes you have made of me.
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