And thats unacceptable to their customers when its the agreed upon squeakiest wheel among the customer base as a whole.
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You have to understand that theyâre saying they have nothing to say for the moment not to keep you in the dark, but because they literally donât know when their changes are going to be finalized.
Development is all about constant testing and iteration. Blizzard coming out with even a guesstimate timeframe of âA couple of weeksâ, âNext Alpha patchâ, âNext monthâ makes them unnecessarily liable to deliver changes that may not be ready for a variety of reasons. Maybe the changes they initially thought of arenât working as expected. Maybe they introduce an unforseen bug. Maybe they change their minds on certain aspects.
Thereâs a wide, wide variety of factors that can change during any kind of development that make it unnecessary to just come out and give hard deadlines until youâve absolutely nailed down everything you need to.
Again, thereâs no secret conspiracy against you. Blizzard isnât lying to your face. Youâre not a shepherd in a sea of sheep.
Correct.
What this can also mean is that Blizzard are covering their butts in that if they donât say / commit to any dates or say they are actively working on the spec and instead just keep with a short and simple âaware of issuesâ then they are NOT obligated to actually fix the spec before release.
THATâs the issue everyone is concerned with.
Blizz playing coyly can just deny that they ever planned to fix / change anything before release.
THAT is what is so worrying.
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Why you keep saying that their silence means they are working on us? When other classes got blue responses AND fixes and new stuffsâŚ
Their silence just means they donât care.
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Iâve already outlined why in earlier posts, I would suggest you look at those.
the problem is not whether they are working on it or not. the problem is what are they working on exactly? what will it address?
this is where we are asking for communication. we want to know the direction they are taking and what exactly are they working on?
Again working on a spec can mean a variety of things. they could be talking about legendaries or anima powers or more borrowed powers. that all count as working on a spec but does not address the core issues that are plaguing shadow.
its alpha of course they are not done with classes but what we are asking for is the same level of attention that shamans, druids, paladins, mages are getting and I think seeing the state we are in we deserve it.
I promise you the moment they do any slight change and we complain about it. Odintiredunborn is gonna turn around and start arguing semantics yelling âtechnically thatâs a changeâ missing the whole point of why we are asking for changes
he is a confirmed troll please ignore him. If you are responding to him than you are doing exactly what he wants.
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In Shadowlands, Druids can travel to their local Barber ShopâŚ
In the next alpha build, weâre going to try letting Phoenix Flames fill this roleâŚ
Weâre going to tinker with the mix somewhat to find a better balance hereâŚ
Weâre iterating on this change at this time, and holding off making the change previously listed here until weâve tested other possible solutions
Except they do it all all time. Which is why there is so much frustration from other players because they seem to not do it for shadow. And that silence has historically meant they arenât doing much of anything.
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Or in this case, until an expansion or two later.
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Nothing of what you posted is in the same context of what was being asked earlier.
Iâll mark them down in a numbered list cooresponding to your italics.
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Thatâs a planned feature. You know itâs going to be on Shadowlands launch. Thatâs a hard timeframe of âAt Shadowlands launchâ. The only variable here is, âWhen is Shadowlands launching?â
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This statement is made because theyâve already finalized that change. They didnât make that statement and then go, âOkay, letâs try this Phoenix Flame thing.â Itâs a hard timeframe because itâs already tested/completed and ready to be pushed out on next build.
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Thatâs intent to change on a known system. Your quote has no timeframe whatsoever in it.
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This quote has no timeframe in it.
A lot of talk about Shadow here, but donât forget that Disc has been absolutely worthless in mythic+, arena, battlegrounds, and non-mythic raiding all expansion due to repeated nerfs and dead talents. Holy likewise.
The entire class is just in an awful state on live and alpha.
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You realize that little what were talking about is the development itself and the communication right? Right now there is none. In the time they are communicating with other specs and classes. Where Priests has exactly zero. Thus far we have a Soon TM and an Ion liked tweet. Thats barely an acknowledgement of existence compared to other classes.
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Exactly, the priest class as a whole is a mess. Holy is in an nasty state as well.
At the higher M+ Iâm really beginning to be a detriment as Holy. Making the runs harder than if I played pally or druid I canât output the DPS those classes can and maintain HPS making infinitely harder on my group. Nor do I have the survivability they do. Luckily the group I run with are all long time friends and they will put up with my gimped holy priest. Donât even get me started arenasâŚ
And and the disheartening thing, there are literally no changes to address these issues on SL Alpha.
The complete LACK of any communication is compounding everyones frustrations.
Yeah I do. I think a one minute post on their own official forums in the thread they created for this very topic would do nicely. Itâs almost like they already repeat themselves on streamer Q & Aâs, twitch, twitter, their website, and various forums because they realize different audiences are at each.
Edit: this will be my last response to you. You seem to thrive on being a contrarian. I say that not because you have a different point of view, but because of your utter lack of charity and your inability to NOT respond. You are too invested in popping the echo chamber to see your own bias.
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I thrive on Priest discussion, because I play Priest. Hence why Iâm in the Priest subforum. Arguments and debates arenât a zero-sum game.
Just because I hold a certain viewpoint and am willing to defend it doesnât mean that Iâm a contrarian. I can guarantee you hold certain viewpoints that are classified as being in the minority but still will hold to them.
I believe entirely that you mean well, but you arenât defending your opinions, youâre attacking othersâ opinions â I daresay everyone knows how you feel on the subject.
Sometimes, itâs just better to let people commiserate without trying to get them to see a silver lining even if you are utterly convinced one exists. It becomes an exercise in frustration for both parties that advances the situation for neither.
Speaking from firsthand experience here.
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^ when thereâs true wisdom in a WoW forum post.
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I made a post about it on GD.
It seems like itâs not just the Priest forum thatâs aware of how much Blizz is screwing up right now.
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any team with any kind of priest gets farmed. disc? lol just play a melee cleave into them, tunnel them and ignore the other 2 players. its really sad.
Iâve looked at my past posts on this thread and I donât see posts where Iâm attacking other peopleâs opinions. I will take issue with statements that are opinions that masquerade as facts, though.
You can not like Voidform. But I will absolutely argue baseless stances like removing Voidform at this moment when weâre already midway through Alpha, or that Voidform is inherently âunfixableâ.
The one thing that really disappoints me is that Blizzard still hasnât learned how to communicate effectively despite Ion mentioning multiple times that they want to communicate better and know they havenât been great at it. Everyone in this thread is rightfully upset because there is simply no indication of what is or is not happening and I am quite certain that if any changes are made to Priest we will only know about them when they are being pushed out to the Alpha and not a moment before then.
I understand that they canât always commit to a change until they know it is going to be pushed out, whether that be an experimental thing for testing, or something more complete and in the tuning-only phase. But for some reason Blizzard is so afraid of saying that something is or is not undergoing further changes until everything is finalized at which point they say they can revisit x, y, or z in a .1 or a .1.5 patch (but then they donât actually revisit it). The only times they will ever state that they âknow aboutâ or have seen certain feedback is if they are directly asked about it in an interview and then use that as a way to deflect from having to give a more substantive answer. But generally, they just refuse to communicate until something is finalized except for a few instances of certain classes appearing favored by getting multiple responses from the Community team while the rest of the classes just sit there ignored.
The most Blizzard has done in regards to readdressing how they communicate is to give a little context to a change after the fact, in the form of âdeveloper notesâ in build releases, which they implemented after someone suggested how Riot Games does communication is more effective in addressing playerâs concerns for LoL. The bigger part of the puzzle that Blizzard needed to take away from that moreso than adding a small amount of context into patch notes would be regular, honest posts about their thoughts on specific classes/specs/roles in their current state and what they think is currently working well, stuff they can look at improving, as well as stuff that they arenât able to change or donât think needs to change at this time. It doesnât have to be every week but something they would put out a few times each year (and maybe more frequently during Alpha/Beta of a new expansion) just to address what they think is working great and stuff that isnât.
They frequently say that they want feedback from the players and they are even willing to say that certain types of feedback isnât helpful (eg. whining, complaining, being rude) but if the feedback is only one-way then it doesnât feel like they genuinely care. Blizzard wants feedback, but the players also want feedback on what Blizzard is thinking of doing going forward, whether or not that might go live. That is it! Truly, all we want is additional context on what Blizzard understands we dislike as well as what they are thinking of changing with an understanding that it doesnât mean any of this is guaranteed to happen. But time and time again they just donât think that is a priority and donât understand that feedback and communication needs to be two-way. Until they are willing to pull back the curtain and give players some insight into what is going on internally, people will give feedback that may be irrelevant, and more importantly, people will get frustrated.
It just feels like the people who are actually giving feedback and who are clearly very invested in the game are not actually the target audience that Blizzard is trying to develop the game for and until they actually learn how to communicate as developers we will stay in this cycle of players yelling to the void and then getting frustrated when it seems to have all been ignored.
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