I was referencing the characters going from faction allignment to neutral and then back to original faction.
Because I don’t see a big issue here. And then you pull something that was not related to this specific exchange.
That’s not what I meant! I meant that he could act sooner and he had other options to stop Sylvanas. Vol’Jin was example. A moment ago you were all frustrated that Alliance HAD TO help the Horde fix their own mess, and now you turn around to make justification for Baine while retracting back at me for suggesting fixing Horde problems without Alliance involvement. Please make up your mind.
Anduin in one guy, no other leader had to have same mindset, they didn’t have to follow his instructions. They were allowed to make a big generalization and act as they thought was accurate. This is why this story is so artificial, it makes everyone on the same faction think alike, while in reality it shouldn’t be like that especially when there are different than human species involved.
I’m sure Night elf players would love this line. Wrynn personal relations > entire population of one island. Nelves can burn in the background, but auntie Jaina and favourite pet Genn gets hurt - now things gets real!
I’m ironic btw, just to highlight how I think it should’ve been the other way around. And somehow it made me feel even more sorry for Alliance for having Anduin.
I didn’t mean Purge, I actually forgot about it, but it was good example for “not attacking civilians”. I meant Shatterspear tribe, sure they were part of warmachine and few were caught torturing nelves, but in return elves raunded them up in their own valley with intention to completely wipe them out, even text was saying about not letting anyone alive. Wheater it was a child or elder, all trolls were meant to be killed off. Considering that Shatterspears lived only in there purging the valley meant that this tribe cease to exist. And it was believed so since Cataclysm only to find out in BFA that some of them managed to escape and hide.
Another case is with dwarves and Frostmane tribe - killing children is killing lifeblood of a nation. No children > No new generation > nation/ ethnic group would eventually die out. Frostmane only live in Dun Morough.
The dwarves who wiped out Tauren tribe so they could start a digsite in both Mulgore and Barrens.
Mind you genocide doesn’t necessary mean “killing a lot of people”. Genocide is about killing off certain nation/ race/ ethnic group out of existance. Genocide doesn’t have to lead to complete extermination.
If you don’t want stuff from 3k years ago then these are the most recent examples.
It was still a very vauge description. Which war criminals were praised again?
You’re blaming entire faction - so also tauren, trolls, goblins for praising war criminals - who excatly, how and when.
If you mean Orgrim - who is orcish idol, then he obviously was not a war ciminal to them. If he was then honestly so is Alleria and Trollbane.
That’s not a war crime itself. Especially when they blow themselves up with it. Explosives are goblin niche.
But I was not talking about using nukes. I was talking about targeting civilians and this is why I disagreed on Maiev’s case. We were not comparing Sylvanas to Alliance, but other Alliance member to overall Alliance practices.
Well we’re heading somewhere at least. Because I also want for Alliance to act as well - Alliance, combination of independent states that have their own policies instead of acting like homogenous morality paragons.
Alliance can still get some positive stuff with the right writing. But Horde? Their core is tarnished beyond any recognition, what I loved about this faction was that is was brotherhood of arms, warrior faction which took pride in taking out bigger foes than they are, attacking villagers and helpless people is not an achievement no proud warrior should engage in such a things. I really don’t know what they’re anymore.
I really wish That WoW writers took inspiration from Heroes 3 Tarnum chronicles which very nicely described barbarians. Sure, they’re brutes and tend to be violent, but their lifestyle and attitude was still fascinating and they had a lot of redeeming qualities.
It really pains me to see what Horde has become, I can no longer say “For the Horde!” and mean it. I’m only playing it because I feel that trolls are the only factor left that gives valid reasons to fight the Alliance while not being overly evil themselves. They’re actually morally grey and pragmatic, not “forsaken pragmatic”.
This is how bad things are. If you lost all the connection to faction to the point you feel you’d be better off if you had your own faction then this is really bad.
