Howl of Terror would be sick. It could cost a soul shard or two, it’d still be sick.
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Warlocks need a lot of love in Shadowlands.
Destro and Demo are reliant on essences and azerite traits in order to be viable. The only promising thing I see so far is for Affliction.
Ion interview with Sloot today did not give me promise. Destro needs much more love once we lose 2 min infernal and vision procs to keep supremacy rolling.
Both Destro and Demo need updated talents.
Would love to see nightfall baseline for Affliction, with an improved nightfall talent, that allows us to bank charges for instant shadowbolts with increase damage.
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Affliction still doesn’t feel quite like Affliction without instant Howl of Terror and Curse of Exhaustion.
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I don’t know why you guys complain here , considering the fact that Blizzard literally NEVER ANSWERS ANY FEEDBACK AT ALL here.
Demonology now has that same Nether Portal that you have to spend 1 shard only to use it properly, and it’s the exact same way since the LAST ALPHA. They didn’t changed it back then and they won’t change it now.
I think the major problem that apparently no one talks about is how terrible their feedback/comunication is. They never tell us why they’re changing stuff, they don’t ask us what we want to see and they don’t even answer those who dare to give feedback.
As long as this remains, 95% of your complains will remain useless. This problem is not about Warlocks but the entire class design philosopy.
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Actually back in MoP Beta, a lot of the stuff that was properly discussed and argued made into the game. Likewise in Warlords Beta. I was in both Betas discussing things in the Beta Forums. Did you participate in any of those threads? Conversations? Come to an agreement with dozens of other warlocks on a Monday and see changes in the Tuesday update for the Beta exactly as you specified?
If you want to complain with nothing constructive said, go to Reddit or something.
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I started playing in late Pandaria/start of Draenor. So, since I played this game I haven’t seen almost any answers from Blizzard so far. The stuff you’re talking about is like 6 years old? I’m aware that in Pandaria there was a guy that did amazing things and actually comunicated with the people here. He also did (or did with a team, idk) the quest for Fel Fire for example.
Since then, how many stuff have you actually read from Blizzard regarding Warlocks that was not said by Ion himself? Stuff like ‘‘we’d rather you didnt play Demonology’’ instead of talking ‘‘Hey, we are making these changed because this , this and this. What do you think it could be improved?’’.
I honestly think some of Blizzard employes read these comments but the actual changes that people want are never made because their methodology. Every talent tree is the same for every single spec in the game: passives on the right, tiers 3 and 5 with utility and usually 1 talent is completely dead in each row.
If you think talking to someone else in the forum about ‘‘change this to this’’ is being helpful, then do it. I’m waiting to see any evidence that Blizzard listens to this stuff. Even that change to making every pet take 6 seconds to be summoned, who in the hell wanted that? It’s part of their own methodology , their own method of doing things to slow the game or something, because absolutely no one wanted that. I honestly think they’re going to change that, but how about everything else? Dead talents for 4 years in a row being exactly the same. People complain about that all the time and they never changed it.
Maybe I’m too pessimistic, but that’s how I see it when there’s no (or minimal) communication between their team and the people playing the game.
Instead of spending almost an hour in the wee hours of the morning typing up some rage post against me, make sure more than half is recommendations or thoughtful suggestions as to what could be done as I could add it to the original post 
Literally, any suggestion! I’ll add whatever if it’s not already there! Or quote tweet which bits of the feedback summary you like best! Be productive!
Lol this just seems more like the op opinion than everything. How does he know everyone likes the changes when the forums are raging about bad game designers who dont know anything about warlocks. Nothing they do has ever been better than mist of pandaria warlocks
These are purely cosmetic, so not overly important, but would be nice to have.
- A way to proc CM gear’s effect without having to macro /roar to everything. Maybe tie it to Shard spenders or something
- Glyphs for the old Chaos Bolt and Incinerate animations, personally can’t stand the current ones
Nothing else to add gameplay wise, haven’t invested enough time into this character since Legion to know what I need/want to have.
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I would love if it we all went back to late Cata/early MoP for Warlocks, but that’s not gonna happen. So we have to look forward, and admit when we like the changes (e.g. curses!) and heavily pushback when we don’t with arguments as to why (e.g. demon cast time being six whole seconds).
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Well I checked most major forums for Warlocks, NA,EU, mmo champ and reddit and it’s safe to say everyone is complaining about the same issues which is great!
The big problem is will Blizzard listen??, from experience playing WoW since Vanilla, there’s little to none hope for Warlocks currently… but who knows maybe a miracle will happen…
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I got confirmation that Shadow Bolt is still Affliction’s filler on the Alpha, so Affliction isn’t in the best spot either. We’re expected to upkeep 3-4 DoTs as of Shadowlands while trying somehow to fit in shadow bolts, unless we sacrficie a talent slot for drain soul to make the rotation play smoothly.
Do we really have to do this drain soul vs shadow bolt thing again? It is your least important button. The less you have to press it, the better. I will never understand why people get so obsessed over it.
This pretty much sums it up for me:
3 x-packs now, no new spells, no new talent row, no new pets (fewer pets actually). Bringing back deleted curses won’t cut it.
It’s understandable Blizz no longer have the resources to put major work on both content and classes but this is not a free to play game, sorry.
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For us without Alpha that can’t post in the feedback session, Felplagued made a awesome summary about many of our problems there, pass and check
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Because the filler button gets hit more than any other and a minor change can have a dramatic play feel impact?
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Maybe because the whole theme of aff is dots and drains??? Shadow bolt with dots having to always be baby sat does not feel good. Drains and dots kinda go hand in hand since forever.
Having haunt back in tbc I think or wrath felt great because it was kinda like a one and done thing not a super spam filler.
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Either way you stand there for X amount of time before damage gets done. What we really need is for our filler to interact with the rest of our kit like it has in the past, like when shadow embrace was baseline with shadow bolt or when malefic grasp was more valuable the more dots you had up. It doesn’t matter if it’s bolt or drain, just let it do something that isn’t just damage. Soul shard generation might be the way to go with the way malefic rupture is looking.
If since forever means since Mists, sure. We had shadow bolt filler all the way up until then. The only difference is our filler actually had other uses for the kit beyond doing bad damage.
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I mean thats actually onr of the huge differences.
You dont just stand there and wait with a drain. You stand there and wait as long as you can and then gtfo but you at least snuck some ticks in unlike shadowbolt which demands the entire cast
Hey guys!!! We need to figure out a way to copy/paste or something over to the official Warlock Class Feedback thread here…
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-warlock-class-changes/490693
Someone has already gone on a tirade in said thread!!! We need to get very very definitive requests and complaints going, this is probably the thread that will be most viewed by the devs!!!
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