Shadowlands Beta Forum: COVENANT SYSTEM DESIGN FLAWS DISCUSSION (2,4K upvotes)

Yeah one doubt how does a topic with 2.6 k upvotes get buried ? :rofl:

Mods not doing their jobs I guess.

I appreciate your traditionalist perspective on the matter

I read this as skyscriber and almost complimented you on the witty joke

Not everyone hates it, or agreeā€™s on the negative impact, which is fine honestly but my biggest gripe is that you should not present development forums in a way that makes it seem like only one opinion is allowed and if you donā€™t like it, just flag it.

A community is not built from a hive mind or like an echo chamber. You need and want different voices and perspectives.

Not people being driven away.

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It would appear there is no link between number of upvotes and the number of reports it takes to trigger a post being hidden.

They have no respect for the playerbase. They think weā€™re idiots who canā€™t think for ourselves. They will continue to remove options until players can no longer choose to play the game wrong.

http://www.memorableplaces.com/mudwimping.html

Itā€™s all about purity of design. Customers donā€™t matter. The game can be perfectly designed and be a success without a single subscriber remaining.

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Itā€™s like watching students in Engineering class thinking they can out wrench a mechanic but then they finally get to their job and the lead mechanic is already telling them their design sucks because itā€™s impractical.

Sure they can do that math, but in all honesty that lack of applied science just means they know how to make stuff translate well on paper.

I donā€™t feel like Ion is suited nor was he ever ready for that position, because he has to respect and actually understand the mechanics and all elements of the game.

He shows great ineptitude by calling everything he scoffs at degenerate.

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HEAVILY agree, which is why Iā€™m baffled by the multitude of people saying ā€œIF YOU DONā€™T LIKE COVENANT LOCKING JUST LEAVE, BLIZZARD HATES YOU AND IS GONNA DO WHAT WE WANT, WE WIN WOOHOO!ā€

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Was waiting for this.

Always has to be that one contrarian that says this with an incredible lack of self-awareness.

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What makes you think I lack self awareness or are you just popping in to take a swing?

Well it is their game and it seems to be fine for most of their target audience.

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if you ignore all the negative feedback from their targer audience yean I could see it being seen as fine

But you shouldnā€™t ignore that feedback

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[Citation needed]

The only feedback that they let influence changes is large numbers of players leaving the game. Complaints in the forum do not play a role in the development process.

They do know what players think. No doubt they have low level employees keeping track of it, in a general way. They just think players will get over controversial changes after the discussion has gone on long enough.

Any responsible company will do actual marketing research to find out what their customers are willing to accept, before sinking many millions of dollars into development of a project they know is likely to fail hard.

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Shadowlands is turning out to be a major dumpster fire. Everything in that post has been said since the system was first discussed and it hasnā€™t changed. Beyond that, their major feature, Torghast, is a boring waste of time with zero challenge and nothing more than a weekly chore. PvP is still a massive mess, multiple classes/specs are clunky as hell or borderline broken, and legendaries are in the exact same boat as Legion with multiple DOA.

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They unflagged it! Kudos to the moderator team. I take back what I said earlier.

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Look OP, I donā€™t know why people are so worked out about one covenant ability. Calm your freaking emotions, not to mention the beta forums are for people in the beta.

Two covenant abilities and soulbinds.

Lol. They mass-reported this post as well. How nice to see people defending Covenants donā€™t have arguments.

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Soulbinds, Conduits will be more relevant. One combat ability and one travel, not really.

That said the soulbinds and conduits wonā€™t be all that different from developing your weapon in Legion. I donā€™t mind that.

I do mind that, multispeccing was the absolute worst part of Legion. Why are we tapping that well again?

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Except that the only thing you needed to work in your other Artifact weapon was equip it. No penalty for swapping them like they intend to do here.