It’s actually not. I started playing MMOs with UO and there was no raiding or grouping. It was all about a living breathing open virtual world. And personally I think it’s much more rewarding to accomplish things on your own rather than just doing a group event where everyone just copy’s the best internet guide and do the same thing over and over.
Hopefully the start rewarding max level gear from max level Delves. The guys who get that will be the ones that really impress me.
This whole conversation around gear really feels like the biggest “You think you do but you don’t.”
A lot of folks here have never been BiS before, and think that it’s a desirable state to be in. I have been BiS before (or as close to it as reasonably possible) and it’s just not that interesting. You no longer have any rewards to gain, you no longer have anything that can make your character better. And for what? To be able to say you’re BiS? No one actually cares.
No one in Goldshire is going to look at you and think you’re special or interesting. BiS gear’s only benefit is you kill content slightly faster, but by the time you’re in your best gear, you’ve already killed it dozens of times.
A lot of you guys would get BiS and think “now what.”
I killed Madness of Deathwing in Cataclysm like 3 months before Mists came out, and WOW never felt more boring.
I suspect CE will feel the same once I get better.
Ion got mad at me and logged me out, lol…on this toon now.
This post reminds me of an argument I had with a kitty druid back in LK who got mad that we gave an ICC weapon drop to a player who needed it.
Mind you, no one else in the raid needed a weapon, so the other option would have been to shard it. But the kitty druid’s argument was that the player didn’t do enough DPS to “earn” the weapon drop.
We argued for 2 solid hours about this. Let people have things.
How dare you link my legendary post like that! It was a simple discombobulation and nothing more, and NOTHING like the absolute monster you make me out to be! Although I am a completely evil and terrible person but only by certain standards.
I couldn’t have said it better myself! And to provide entertainment for everyone, Blizzard also provides higher difficulties and gear progression for those who want to play at a competitive level at higher end M+ and Mythic raids.
Nobody is hard-done-by in “house league” because the NBA exists. Wanting to lower the net for “NBA” level players because players are envious of their scores or trophies in house league would be a bit ridiculous.
Don’t be a toxic casual. Although judging by your topic history, that ship has long sailed. We’re not lowering the hoop for you Eàu - sorry. It’s okay you can’t dunk. I can’t either!
Last time I was in “full BiS” (or as close as I ever was) was probably just before AQ launched.
But people still had a sense of wonder then so I got lots of comments when standing next to the mailbox in Org. That T2 rogue look was a head turner in its time.
There is…what are you talking about?
100% of people should have access to it. If 100% of people can complete the content then why force it to some kind of bell curve?
Sure, people have access to it. Whether people do the content to obtain it though, that’s a different question entirely.
Game balance. When was the last time you found it fun to do an activity and then get told “you don’t have to do anything, I have completed your activity for you - hope you enjoyed it” … ?
Delulu much.
My dunking is the best dunking there is.
Just because you imagine yourself dunking something (or someone) doesn’t mean that you have done it. It just means that you imagined yourself doing it.
I PvP, with no real aspirations for PvE content, other than to Quest while waiting for PvP queues to pop. For me, BIS is bought with Conquest (whether that’s Conquest vendor, or Crafted…) and everyone who PvPs has equal access to that, if they will put in the time, complete the weekly quests, queue for PvP, do WPvP (especially crate fights) and so forth.
The one thing I don’t like is the limiting of Conquest the first several weeks of the season, to 600 Conq/weekly.
My question is, because I do not do any PvE Dungeons or Raids, and have never even been in a M+ (I don’t even know what a Key is, or how to get one…), is access to top level PvE gear similarly limited to X amount of gear Tokens weekly? How long does it take a Raider to get into full top level gear?
It should be what it is now. Everyone has access to bis items. That they choose not to do hard content is a them problem not a problem with being able to access it.
Sorta…
Way it works is a lot of gear is weekly from the vault. There tends to be a mix of bis from dungeons and raids and that heavily plays into your gearing speed.
Usually its 4-6 weeks to be fully mythic geared depending on rng and progression speed.
Depends on what you consider “top level” because PvE is different to PvP in this regard. A lot of high level keys (and raids) are cleared with people still using Heroic gear. In this regard, yes it is similar to some kind of idea of “weekly gear tokens.” But it also isn’t, because Heroic gear is good enough to clear most forms of Mythic gear. Not all of it, and of course the more Mythic (raiding) one clears the more Mythic (raiding) gear one obtains.
The only thing that really applies a hard weekly limit on Mythic gear is the weekly M+ vault. As Mythic-track ilvl gear obtainable from M+ is limited to the vault alone, and doesn’t drop from M+.
All of this means that yes, there is something akin to it… but also not. There’s also enough ilvl ranks to upgrade and these things where this in practice doesn’t really exist, outside of the limit on the Crests that drop, and Sparks if you use crafted gear (which using Crests can be crafted at -3 ilvls from Max Mythic ilvl gear).
Take everything I said above and… you kinda realize why there’s not really anything like a “hard”-BiS, so you can in most cases effectively continue to gear your character throughout an entire season. But at the same time you will maybe hit a point where you feel like you have gotten your gear to max after 1-2 months. But since you can still keep pushing, 3+ months may also be a “correct” answer.
Yeah but I’m answering the question that was asked.
I mean… what?
This topic summarized:
I mean, I hope. That’s what we’re paying for.