Many things CAN be done. But very few want to pay money to do unfun things.
It’s aways been gear isn’t an argument because it’s not some divine-ordained rule.
And the better question would be what do you care what I do with the gear. Maybe I just like to look at it. Does it matter? And even better question is who are you to even ask that question?
Yes, I know they can be soloed, cause that’s the point. Solo progression. What I wanna understand is where do elitist get the idea that they get a say on what the rewards should be and where to draw the line.
And no, see, the problem with certain segments of content is that they are being avoided not because of the effort they require, but rather because of the so-called elitists who have created a very unfriendly and unwelcoming environment. Now, I don’t want to be unfair here so I’ll point out that I’m an EU player and the M+ community there has become a cesspool of frustrated manlets who scream into a microphone like they lost their entire fortune. Plus russians who will ruin a key just so to live up to the stereotype.
You want to incentivize people to try that aspect of the game, then make it welcoming instead of taking away their gearing options to force them to choose between you or no gear.
But the argument was made many times before here, that casuals are getting gear and doing stuff they enjoy when every elitist decided Delves are just too easy for the gear they reward, as if anyone asked them.
And since delving became a thing, gearing isn’t painful, it’s fun. It’s not stressful. And that is a problem for the elitist types.
Should is a loaded word. Probably those that do that absolute hardest content.
The real question is, should players need BiS gear to enjoy the game?
Sure if you dislike challenging content, though I personally found it more fun to do with an ilvl more fitting what the challenge was doable with in order to get more personal satisfaction from having done it. Despite that though, the comment I responded to said in order to do the delve challenge boss you needed good gear. Something that is flat out untrue.
Buddy you’re just inventing a kind of person. These people do not exist at the scale you’re imagining.
So you are assuming the people complaining about Zekvir and such will have fun doing these tasks? Or that they will care enough to put in the time required to do such things? Many people just want to get over powered and kill everything they look at. For them that is the fun. It was hard then I got Ilvl 639 and stomped everything in my path. That IS the fun.
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last time i checked i play the game so i can have what ever opinion on what ever topic i want. who are you to say different.
lmao no people avoid it because it takes a great amount of skill and ability to complete the content. dont like the people your playing with? then find others that will work for you.
then why are you posting on the us forums and not on the eu forums.
they do incentivize it…by putting higher ranked gear behind higher difficulty content to try and motivate people to said content. if that content isnt for you thats fine you should reap those rewards.
it is way to easy and thats a problem. they should make delves a cornerstone of wow and make them scaling like m+. that would be more impressive to see and also attract more people long term to them.
cant say that i have been stressed gearing in m+ or raid but there has to be a balance between the forms of content. all the content should reward gear at the same difficulty levels or there will be an imbalance like there is now.
i love how you cant see the irony of calling people this while demanding that wow changes there whole gearing philosophy to your needs.
Which is why such thing is marketed as a challenge mode, is not require for any story progression and offers nothing but a title and a mount skin. Not everything has to be trivialised.
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how come you never quoted the very next sentence
nobody said you needed a specific ilvl to do zekvir. the point i am making is that a mythic raider like myself can go in and 1 shot him in mythic raid gears, while delve only players, whom delves were created for, will struggle on him with their delve gears.
i am counter arguing the people that are trying to gate keep the mythic gear from others, by showing an example of why each pillar needs its own gearing path.
why am i allow to bypass the whole delve experience and turn them into a parking lot with 2-3 min clears to get all the achievements, titles, pets, toys, cosmetics, mounts etc… etc… in my mythic gear if they were not designed for players like me?
if i want to delve i should have to get in there, get dirty and climb the ladder like those it was designed for, and not lmfao blowing them up in gears that were not attained from or designed for. simple.
I’m not sure about what % should have something. I don’t think that both the highest item level rewards AND portals should come from a +10 though. This is the most difficult, and most unrewarding, season of M+ I’ve ever played, personally. I think DF had it right with vault loot from +18s and +8s. If Blizzard made it so it only came from timed runs, I’d have been happy with that.
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100% of people should be able to play 100% of the game they payed for and get 100% of the things in that game.
blizz and the elitist gatekeepers have gaslit this community for years into making people think they dont deserve anything when all of us literally pay for this game.
most backwards logic of all time, but somehow a lot of people go along with it.
corpo bootlicker mentality i guess.
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Because it wasn’t relevant to the point I wated to address.
You said you needed good gear, I disagreed.
your thinking of it the wrong way. if you can run through like that then delves arnt made for you and your gear isnt needed for that level of content. its like complaining that your in mythic gear and smashing through a +2 like yea you over gear the content to such an extreme amount you trivialize it.
you need to read between the lines and make sure you quote the whole point and not select one that will fit your narrative.
you do need good gear for zekvir ??. go and watch someone brand new to him do it in adventurer gears. the better your gear the easier he is, that is all i was saying.
example a mythic player like myself. i would of had a few attempts on him in veteran and champion. but i didnt bother. i waited until i was 634 to do him. and i 1 shotted him. he was a joke. my point is that while i was fine with it, it shouldnt be.
no you dont and that has been proven over and over again.
really using gear as a crutch in place of having skill doesnt mean you need that gear to complete it.
Sounds players should scale down like the mage tower.
But people want to be overpowered. That’s the fun. Crazy, god mode, no challenge at all, over powered.
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Then do we need mythic raid gear for simple world quest mobs?
It’s easier with mythic raid gear, I assure you.
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then go play diablo lol
You might, that sounds extremely dull to me. And if that’s the fantasy I want there are far better games to provide it.