It is needed to be competitive if your goal isn’t to just beat some players in your guild. It’s literally the reason to go engi because you’re competitive.
Not really. You can still easily toss up 99s without chickens.
That’s such a silly argument, you can still get 99s lol, ya and they are much easier the more chicken buffs you have. Why would you want an item from classic that greatly increases the power of your character per engi in your party to be used right now?
Without a change it will become more of a thing in wrath.
Not really. Is a 99 not a competitive parse? Am I missing something here? I think you and me differ on what competitive means. I think that if you can out DPS 98%-99% of your spec without chickens then it pretty much proves you can be plenty competitive without them. You really have no case against that. So really you are arguing to nerf your own raid which is kinda weird. Idk, I kinda want my raid to pump as much as possible
You are missing the point. If more people start using chickens (they will and they are) then you won’t be able to get 99’s without chickens anymore.
It also makes progressing on future bosses trivial when you can just bypass mechanics with higher dps.
I’m not arguing that a 99 isn’t a competitive parse, I’m saying that when you start stacking buffs you go into a different competition. There’s far less people stacking those at that level.
Nerfing them does nerf my raid but it also makes that raid more relaxed and about you playing well on something rather than making people wait to go pull trash ahead because they are easier to squawk off of. This item doesn’t change in wrath so it will still be used. A level 220 engi item will still be bis in wrath. That’s the issue. The power it creates is too strong that it’s a large dps increase because it stacks.
So you agree now that it only matters at the highest level lol. Any flip floppers in chat?
So now you are saying most arent using them? I was just told they are mandatory.
So are they mandatory now in which case I have proof that not only can you be extremely competitive without them, but you can be very strong in your spec without them
Or are they not mandatory at all, and you are just spewing fear at something that isnt mandatory at all?
For you. Some people like and enjoy that environment. They like pushing themselves to the absolute max, and its up to the player to determine if thats something they want. Personally I don’t want to be in that environment. Like you I want something more relaxed, so I choose that type of raid. I will never have the amazing kill times or parses because of it, but I am still competitive.
The best will always go above and beyond. Its up to the player to decide if thats what they want too. But make no mistake and lets avoid the hyperbole, they arent mandatory at all.
I’ve had that stance the entire time? What? It doesn’t mean people won’t try to use it. It also means that everyone who is chasing a 99 will have to use it.
So if you don’t use chickens and your raid doesnt use them, why do you care if chickens get nerfed? It’s pretty obvious that chickens arent an intended part of the game and they are just something that blizzard overlooked like diamondflask wbuffs etc
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You will be a lot closer if chickens are gone. The kill times of bipolar aren’t just because they have 2 groups stacking chickens (10 of them) but also because they are just good. What I’m saying is it levels the playing field more where your skill matters more. Your kill times won’t be as bad compared to more parse oriented guilds if chickens are gone. It also creates additional stress making sure everyone squawks on x mob and that they all even have squawks to begin with.
Ya they aren’t mandatory sure, but nothing is. Once more and more people continue to catch on the ability for some people to chase a 99 in lesser guilds will continue to diminish.
I guess everyone loves them so much we can all just go into wrath and continue to use them.
Because I’m not so quick to remove others enjoyment to stroke my epeen. If someone wants to go out and pop 4 squawks to get a monster parse and that helps them enjoy the game then so be it. I am very capable of clearing content without it, and I know that I play my class fine. So my ego isn’t as tied up into what a select few are doing to go above and beyond. I commend them
Seem pretty intended tbh. If they were that far out of line blizzard wouldve crushed them. If anything they bring melee a bit into line with the ranged, but even with them they still fall well short of ranged.
I think I’m just not as caught up into what others are doing. I’m not gonna say you are wrong for feeling the way you do as I too enjoy doing well. But I tend to use logs to improve myself more than to compare myself to others. Really it just comes down to I cant agree on making changes to a game based on what a small % of people are doing at the highest levels of the game.
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You guys are so childish lol. “My raid doesn’t want to put in the preparation and effort to experiment with niche items and find ways to get better kill times” but you think you deserve to be on a perceived level playing field by taking other people’s toys away.
Accept that you will do less dps if you prep less and put in less effort because that will always be the case.
The game is 16 years old people should absolutely be allowed to use every part of it to push the limits of what is actually possible.
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That’s not what I said, I feel bad about having 15 other people sit around and wait for me and the others who benefit to get some silly buff every 20 mins.
That’s fair and I get it, I guess I just think the number will grow more and more. A lot of people picked up engi after the video of force squawking came out so with the fact that it gets actually better every tier with gear I just assume people will start picking it up. I really shouldn’t be so concerned over what other people do so really it shouldn’t matter. I just didn’t want some silly trinket to be bis for at least the rest of tbc and all of wrath at its current state.
It absolutely will. If I have learned anything over the last 2+ years playing classic, its that no matter how good or bad a person plays their class, they will always try to mimic the top % even if they themselves aren’t capable of making it worth the cost.
I will say that I think your argument is one of the best arguments against the chicken. I dont think that the chicken itself is mandatory at all, but something that is a strong feeling is the desire to not be the weak link on a team. I went all of classic not taking engi (except like 2 weeks for Visc) and I always felt kinda bad for not having those sappers. But I was still very competitive and strong. If they were to try anything I think something like only allowing 1-2 Squawks stacked at a time would be a solid compromise. That or maybe just allow them in TBC and kill them going into wrath.
Everyone go home, the rogue thinks its fine.
The rogue that has never had a Squawk in a raid and still does decently.
But I understand why ranged may not like it…
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There is no reason to wait for the CD every boss for a chicken you just use it on different bosses over multiple raids. It’s the way you are choosing to use it thats causing a personal issue for you.
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Sure it is. Just like Fiora Longears is supposed to be MIA since TBC launched. Obviously Blizzard intends for no one to be able to complete this quest. Also it’s obvious Blizzard intends for the Brazier of Dancing Flames to remain scuffed forever. The Headless Horseman event was obviously meant to be bugged throughout the event. Obviously Blizzard intends to make quests available that are impossible to complete.
Also Blizzard intends for belts to disappear and pets to spawn with -40% health when you dismount and mobs to stand around after they’re dead and . . .
The bugs in this expansion are a joke. Who in their right mind would claim the stupid chicken squawks are “intended” when they didn’t work this way originally??
Blizzard needs to fix this inexcusable garbage - and not just chickens, all of it.
It has always worked this way and no one can prove otherwise actually. The only thing that is different from original TBC is that it didn’t scale the chicken to lvl 75. Which doesn’t matter for getting the buff.