Seems most of the remaining player base are miserable to game with

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Just came back to classic after a brief break and I’m struck by how truly miserable almost every raid is.

It seems like 90% of the remaining classic Andy’s experience zero fun or actual enjoyment playing the game. Like… Its a video game y’all, if you’re not having a good time why are you playing?!

Every raid is just filled with misery. Even if there are zero wipes and you full clear Q40/naxx in 90 minutes, it’s STILL just people complaining the entire time, flaming each other, crying to dock cuts etc.

Nobody is laughing, nobody is having a good time, nobody is actually having fun.

This isn’t the WoW I remember anymore. It’s some soulless GDKP slog with raids filled by people who hate logging in but have nothing else to do.

Sad times.

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I recently joined an Aussie guild that has a perfect raid schedule for me because I work 3rd shift on the US east coast, and they’re all cool, chill people, no raging over wipes or mistakes, no elitism or garbage egos, just fun times progressing through content. It’s brought back the social aspect that I enjoyed in Wrath when I was a part of a guild called Cataclysm on Akama iirc. It was peak WoW for me, actually learning the ins and outs of the game and progressing through raid content, grinding professions to stock for raid nights etc. Being around cool folks makes the game that much more fun to play. The toxic people literally suck the fun out of this game.

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I just recently decided to play classic era after avoiding it for a long time, I didn’t want to taint my memories of launch and vanilla, but the soundtrack has been a part of my life since day one and I blame the music for luring me back in.

I am only 47 and am going at my own pace and trying to enjoy my time. Seems to be working and I have had some good times and met some quality folk, but the endgame wall is looming closer now and I’m honestly a little worried about it. I believe you should play the game in the way you like and don’t begrudge anyone for the choices they make, I don’t want to be boosted or join raids for money to purchase gear however and it seems my choices are limited.

I’m still looking for a guild that does it the old way and seems chill…and has a cool name. :laughing: I know that is a lot to ask. I’m confident though and am enjoying my time so far.

I would definitely avoid doing gdkp raids and focus on the social aspect, find some like-minded people and try to have a good time.

ti;dr

You have to make your own fun sometimes.

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the only logical would be…

FRESH CLASSIC WOW SERVERS

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That is a raiders disease, come to the Battlegrounds / Level new characters. My experiences have been overwhelmingly positive in both the Leveling and BG’s.

I do raid occasionally, but not like I use to a few years ago since my old guild went to other games, but my former raiding experiences were excellent.

IMO find people who’re not so sweaty and play with chill stoners like I do.

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Join another group, raids are hit and miss - some groups are a ton of fun and some aren’t so much.

If you know the raid really well, you can also mute disc and just turn on some music for raids below naxx if the people are annoying.

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I agree. It’s why I play on Grobbulus. It feels like I’m playing the game I remember from 2004-2006. One where people had fun, didn’t have to minmax every aspect, were okay with less optimization, and most importantly… felt like you were part of a fun group of friends playing your favorite game.

I know it’s not perfect on Grobb — we have 100 players, no AH, we don’t have on demand content, etc. but despite that, it’s felt amazing. We clear Naxx (takes us 3 hours to clear 4 wings about) but I’d rather have that and have fun during raids than be miserable in this hyper optimized, gdkp, instant gratification, antisocial hellscape i often hear about.

Anyways, a little off topic, but I believe megaclusters are the reason much of this has happened. I hope one day players will gravitate away from them. The server culture shifts towards this bad attitude when it’s the center of gravity. And when it’s the center of gravity it becomes normal. It becomes the only option.

It’s funny because it seems exclusive to Whitemane on era. If you read sentiment of players on Mankirk it isn’t happening. It surely isn’t like this on Grobb.

And further, if you look at SoM, SoD, or 2019 Classic run, we saw the same type of stuff happening on mega servers. I believe they are extremely unhealthy for the game. Back when vanilla had dozens of servers with 3k-5k players on them… that was the sweet spot. Plenty of people still, more than enough to get things done, and each server had an identity. If you wanted the try hard server go for it. If you didn’t there were dozens of other high/medium/low pop servers with their own unique cultures.

Instead with mega servers, players feel forced to join or be left out without ability to play. There’s little room for alternative views. Gravity pulls it to the group think mentality, and suddenly you “can’t play the game” unless you join the “only active server” and you’re forced to swipe to play, no one is having fun, diminished social aspects, one single way to play.

There’s other options out there. I hope players realize this over the next years to come of WoW. Mega servers are harming our community. There are other places to play and still have a vibrant, fun, and social experience.

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If you’re not having fun, quit pugging or quit your guild and look for a guild that matches your play style. Then be happy with the rewards you can achieve by working with those people who should also share those same goals. Don’t force yourself into a sweaty guild, or push for naxx gear, if you just want to be casual and are really looking for easy raiding like MC, ZG and AQ20, and if its the other way and you aren’t challenged by your guild and are frustrated with your progress and are capable of more, look for someplace you can be a bit more sweaty.

Finding a good guild can take time and effort, but its almost always worth it and most people will be far happier.

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I think you need to find people that are either all sweaty or all chill.

The toxicity comes from GDKPs where you have 50% of players who are sweaty BiS gold cap players, and then 50% random newbs who don’t understand mechanics or how to play the game.

I find if EVERYONE is sweaty the raids usually go great and so there’s not much reason to flame. And if EVERYONE is chill then people don’t really care and it’s just all good vibes.

But when you mix the two? Yikes.

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Yeah not wise to mix the worlds of things.

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u’re probably on whitemane cluster. come to Mankrik pve cluster to have a good time.

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I am on Whitemane cluster yeah.

Kinda thought about how I wanted to proceed with playing this game or if I should just unsub. Decided to hit up some SR guilds that are progressing aq40/naxx and see if I can help them out a bit. Hopefully the vibes are vibier.

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Its hard to find a guild of people that play the game for fun, after 20 years of playing across many MMO’s I have been in 3 great guilds and have joined countless sweat lord, take the game to serious, no fun having guilds.

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What I’ve noticed is every gdkp seems to think it’s trying to set a speed clear record. They don’t have the patience to wait for mana.

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If one is struggling to manage mana they can drink mana pot on cd

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Perhaps you need to look for raids that move slower if your having a hard time keeping up, or make sure your more appropriately geared, most raids don’t spend much time sitting between pulls unless things go horribly wrong, it has nothing to do with GDKP being the loot type. Most people want to get the raids done in a timely fashion.

However, when you go into a raid, make sure you have lots of water, you should be sitting to grab a sip of water after almost every pull, and you can even sit again and start drinking right as they are pulling, only starting to heal when needed. Most raids will have enough healers that a few can be drinking at almost all times. Its also ok to use potions, and make sure your using appropriate oils and other mana regeneration consumes.

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Yeah I mean people move fast but mana pots arn’t too expensive anymore. A big part of being a good healer is moving to the next pull (if possible) to start drinking as soon as the current pull dies. Then you’re drinking while the raid is pulling the next pack.

Beyond that using consumes is definitely mandtary, in naxx I’d typically use about 30 major mana potions and maybe 10 demonic runes. I also use the EPL manna biscuits and probably go through like 150-200 in naxx.

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Is Markrik actually better in terms of non-GDKP, RMT, etc?

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Yes. It’s hard to find a ZG GDKP on Mankrik - one always seems to be going on in Whitemane.

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Classic is garbage sauce