Season 1 WW is over! Here is how all specs performed (NA)

[Kennie-malganis]

@Mortis-eredar

Protection Warrior: 13

Four of these were me.

[Lastarria-moon-guard]

@Amatox-bleeding-hollow

You just have this redditor stance where you want to comment and sound smart on a topic you don’t actually have experience with

Because my shaman did not get glad?

You have your opinion, and I have mine, and we both PVP.

[Lastarria-moon-guard]

@Amatox-bleeding-hollow

You’d understand it if you actually played PvP and had to fight assa/aff or thunder every single game this season.

Is it the simplicity of those particular specs that bothers you the most?

[Kennie-malganis]

No it’s that they’re overtuned lmao

[Amatox-bleeding-hollow]

@Lastarria-moon-guard

Because my shaman did not get glad?

Because you stop at challenger every season it’s like me timing a +2 and then arguing with everyone about mythic plus lol

I put a band aid on my owie I’m basically a doctor

[Lastarria-moon-guard]

@Amatox-bleeding-hollow

Because you stop at challenger every season it’s like me timing a +2 and then arguing with everyone

At what rating does someone get to have an opinion?

[Kennie-malganis]

Depends on context.

[Amatox-bleeding-hollow]

Ideally I’d like a little more experience than I did my placement games and this is my opinion on how it’s okay that BM hunter has been overturned for like 10 straight seasons

[Næcrælla-crusader-strike]

@Lastarria-moon-guard

Some people might enjoy complexity, and others enjoy simplicity.

Its kind of obvious, idk how you dont t get it. If you put more effort intonsomwthing should be more rewarding aka from a gameplay standpoint more effective. Pushing 5 buttons with close to no margin of error should be more rewarding than pushing 3 the exact same way.
You put more effort so your end result should be better.
If your a general surgeon youre getting 600k/year. Doing spine surgery which is more complex and carries more risks earns you 950k/year.
Same goes for the speccs. Generally you tend to get punished more for failing on a complex class, but you dont get anything for performing good on it
Logic

[Firstoff-moon-guard]

Well said brother man

[Doors-illidan]

@Abråms-doomhammer

Again… what? …

It is absolutely more enjoyable to have actual skill expression. How is that less rewarding?

Matter of opinion.

The gameplay should be the challenge. Learning to drive a car with two steering wheels that only control opposite directions is a matter of taste.

@Næcrælla-crusader-strike

If you put more effort intonsomwthing should be more rewarding

Then why don’t we just make R1, etc. a progress bar that rewards whoever plays the most?

[Holynotalk-tichondrius]

ngl, I know this is sorted by most to least but I’d have preferred alphabetical

[Trazzy-wyrmrest-accord]

Seriously. Sadly it doesn’t stop here in WoW.

League of Legends is the same.

Simple Champions like Garen, Darius, Zac, or Lux to name a few. They have such easy spells and such a low floor. But yet they perform just as good, if not better than harder to play champions.

I’m not saying they can’t be useless, but if 2 individuals have the same skill level, the simple champion will always outperform the complex champion.

I don’t have the solution but it really discourages people to play harder classes or champions. Like why should you be a frost dk when fury warrior does everything so much better.

If you are an amazing player yeah you can make it work but why? And if you are an amazing player you will go further going fury anyways.

[Trazzy-wyrmrest-accord]

Nope, make rogues better.

This is why MoP was the best expansion for PvP from my personal experience compared to literally from Cata to today.

“when everyone is super, no one will be.” - The Incredibles.

Make everyone OP stop nerfing things. It only makes the class less fun or enjoyable.

[Doors-illidan]

@Amatox-bleeding-hollow

on how it’s okay that BM hunter has been overturned for like 10 straight seasons

This is the part of the argument that should truly matter. Blizzard blindly making things obnoxiously strong or low performance, and not bringing them closer to center of the general performance of all specs is more or less abandonment.

[Lastarria-moon-guard]

@Næcrælla-crusader-strike

Its kind of obvious, idk how you dont t get it. If you put more effort intonsomwthing should be more rewarding aka from a gameplay standpoint more effective. Pushing 5 buttons with close to no margin of error should be more rewarding than pushing 3 the exact same way.

It’s not that I do not understand what you are saying, it’s that I do not agree with you.

Repeating exactly what was already said does not change my mind.

[Boltinqt-defias-pillager]

@Lastarria-moon-guard

It’s not that I do not understand what you are saying, it’s that I do not agree with you.

No, it is actually that you don’t understand it. You think you do, but the ability to understand in this specific instance requires you to have a higher level of gameplay understanding than you can obtain playing to 1500.

You seem to love arguing about topics you’re critically undereducated on, and I can’t blame you. We’ve allowed people with 0 experience to achieve things beyond what they should have IRL, so you’re a product of that same system.

You’re wrong tho, and no one can convince you of it because you’re too blind to see it.

Sad really.

[Vega-auchindoun]

@Mortis-eredar

Subtlety Rogue: 45

Is that why they nerfed in 2nd season?

[Skarznit-wyrmrest-accord]

Sub cannot be strong when shadowy duel exists. This is a path to them becoming viable again. Duel is bad for everyone.

[Freestregion-tichondrius]

Absolute numbers are meaningless!

Lets say only 50 Fire Mages in total played, but 28 of them reached 2400+++. Would make the spec insanely overtuned, even though its sitting on the low end of that list.

Or take Outlaw Rogue. Being 20% behind Destruction Warlock? I mean, we all know that Outlaw was S tier and Destru more in direction of D tier.