Scourge Event Nerfed - Thank You

[Foxsc-lightnings-blade (Foxsc)]

casuals being casuals again?

[Sinelius-proudmoore]

Im glad I was able to do the chaotic version on PTR before nerf, but yeah I agree the game was literally unplayable in that state.

@Ssigma-moon-guard

@Hnetu-norgannon

Sorry you can’t put up with going to Silvermoon instead of Org for a week or two.

It’s funny you say that because silvermoon is 100% plague free. Kinda makes you wonder how soft people are to not visit other damn cities.

Its because no one goes to silvermoon for any reason at all other then heritage armor or starting to level new blood elf. Its a dead zone. Even more dead in shadowlands when you get sent to tutorial isle then sent to BFA or other expansions for lvl 10-50, no new players will even know silvermoon exists.

[Kharneus-dalaran (Kharneus)]

No, but justifying the weakness of the zombies from a lore perspective is ridiculous, especially in an MMORPG.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

I mean, just trying to soften the blow? These’re old zombies from a re-used event that we’ve long-since left in the past. They shouldn’t scale to our current strength 'cause zombies don’t actually scale with anything.

[Anubara-thrall-930525]

@Hamoron-icecrown

I don’t know how this game is gonna hold up much longer with Blizzards only caring about pleasing the whiners.

“they nerfed my zombies so the game is basically dead”

“No I’m not whining, you are!”

[Huntillia-proudmoore (Huntillia)]

@Twochainz-stormreaver

It’s just not possible to grief players anymore.

And this is why a lot of people are against the changes to the event. It’s sad that so many people use most of their time in game just to grief people.

[Perìsh-moon-guard (Perìsh)]

Reported this thread for spam.

[Chazzwozzer-korgath (Chazzwozzer)]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

It also makes sense lore-wise. No one’s been amplifying the Scourge for years now, and the Northrend undead have been left to rot by and large. So of course these level 80 equivalents are gonna run up against 120s and 120-elite equivalents and get rolled over. We’ve pretty much had the Scourge solved since we toppled Arthas in the first place.

The zombies getting pancaked is just a result of Azeroth growing stronger as a whole thanks to the heroes within. Mindless zombies don’t get stronger with age, they just wither.

Lore-wise the game ignores levels. The power of NPCs isnt actually determined by level in the lore at all. The levels is just a game design thing. Blizzard has said themself that bosses among other xpacs aren’t and stronger or weaker than each other due to level, as in, Garrosh Hellscream wasn’t stronger than C’thun or Yogg-Saron lore-wise just because Garrosh was a boss for level 100s, while C’thun and Yogg-saron were for level 60 and 80.

[Illidillybar-bronzebeard]

The part that’s disappointing for me doesn’t have to do with the Scourge event itself, but more with the playerbase’s allergy to anything remotely dynamic. Anything that shakes the game up at all in any significant way is treated as a great evil. Everything has to be McDonalds levels of mundane and predictable, with the only changes being allowed coming in patches and expansions. Gameplay that varies from moment to moment — aka true dynamics — is shouted down. Can’t have anything that engages players and makes them adapt their gameplay on the fly, anything uninstanced has to be “netflixable”, aka fully passive and easily fit into a routine.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Chazzwozzer-korgath

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

It also makes sense lore-wise. No one’s been amplifying the Scourge for years now, and the Northrend undead have been left to rot by and large. So of course these level 80 equivalents are gonna run up against 120s and 120-elite equivalents and get rolled over. We’ve pretty much had the Scourge solved since we toppled Arthas in the first place.

The zombies getting pancaked is just a result of Azeroth growing stronger as a whole thanks to the heroes within. Mindless zombies don’t get stronger with age, they just wither.

Lore-wise the game ignores levels. The power of NPCs isnt actually detirmed by level in the lore at all. The levels is just a game design thing. Blizzard has said themself that bosses among other xpacs aren’t and stronger or weaker than each other due to level, as in, Garrosh Hellscream wasn’t stronger than C’thun or Yogg-Saron lore-wise just because Garrosh was a boss for level 100s, while C’thun and Yogg-saron were for level 60 and 80.

I was putting it in mechanical terms as far as the game is concerned but fine, strictly-lore it is. YEARS have passed since ICC. We have gotten stronger and faced stronger foes than anything the Scourge could throw at us. At the time, yes, ‘there must always be a Lich King’, but now we could essentially crack Northrend, the continent, in half with our character’s strength. We have Azerite weapons that defy anything built on Azeroth. We have a LASER SHIP (well, if you’re Alliance).

We are far stronger than the Scourge was ever prepared for us to be, and we beat them at their strongest. Now some errant wandering zombies, however large their hordes, should be child’s play to brush aside like dust.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Illidillybar-bronzebeard

The part that’s disappointing for me doesn’t have to do with the Scourge event itself, but more with the playerbase’s allergy to anything remotely dynamic. Anything that shakes the game up at all in any significant way is treated as a great evil. Everything has to be McDonalds levels of mundane and predictable, with the only changes being allowed coming in patches and expansions. Gameplay that varies from moment to moment — aka true dynamics — is shouted down. Can’t have anything that engages players and makes them adapt their gameplay on the fly, anything uninstanced has to be “netflixable”, aka fully passive and easily fit into a routine.

All it needed to do was respect War Mode. Then they can overtune the zombies as much as they want. The truth is Day 1 of the event saw most curious players flee the PTR and not look back until the confirmation of the event’s passing, and the same would happen on Live. Making it opt-in now makes the event a curiosity rather than an imposition, and would probably drive higher participation numbers.

[Illidillybar-bronzebeard]

Ignoring the zombie event itself (dynamics don’t have to mean PvP), does this mean that war mode off should also mean all game dynamics are off, with the world being entirely static and free of surprises unless players actively involve themselves?

[Anso-sargeras]

where’s my dislike button, blizzard?

[Frostera-stormreaver]

How to throw yourself into the flames of hatred 101.

This thread.

[Chazzwozzer-korgath (Chazzwozzer)]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I was putting it in mechanical terms as far as the game is concerned but fine, strictly-lore it is. YEARS have passed since ICC. We have gotten stronger and faced stronger foes than anything the Scourge could throw at us. At the time, yes, ‘there must always be a Lich King’, but now we could essentially crack Northrend, the continent, in half with our character’s strength. We have Azerite weapons that defy anything built on Azeroth. We have a LASER SHIP (well, if you’re Alliance).

We are far stronger than the Scourge was ever prepared for us to be, and we beat them at their strongest. Now some errant wandering zombies, however large their hordes, should be child’s play to brush aside like dust.

This is just straight up wrong. We cannot crack Northrend in two lol… cmon. Yes we have some items like azerite power at our disposal compared to before, but the idea of the scourge getting weaker with time isn’t true. No where in the lore does it say that they get weaker over time. The only reason we haven’t had to deal with them was because the Lich King had been keeping them under control and suppressing them. The whole point to Bolvar having to become the Lich King was for this reason specifically, they said it them self that the scourge would be let loose if there wasnt a Lich King. This whole event is to show that part of the lore.

With this change in the game, they’re basically pointing out that the scourge is actually extremely weak, and that Bolvar has been sitting there as the Lich King for years for no reason at all. He could’ve taken off the helm years ago and could’ve been free of it.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Illidillybar-bronzebeard

Ignoring the zombie event itself (dynamics don’t have to mean PvP), does this mean that war mode off should also mean all game dynamics are off, with the world being entirely static and free of surprises unless players actively involve themselves?

I mean, yes? Part of WoW’s big draw is being able to curate your experience. Want to experience dynamic and risky open world PvP? Turn on War Mode. Want to skip all that? Turn off War Mode.

[Illidillybar-bronzebeard]

War Mode seems like a total misnomer in that case, the toggle should be changed to a switch that flips between “theme park” and “semi-sandbox” modes.

[Frostera-stormreaver]

It’s because of whiners like OP that I Iove ganking the absolute hell out of anybody I see in warmode.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Chazzwozzer-korgath

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I was putting it in mechanical terms as far as the game is concerned but fine, strictly-lore it is. YEARS have passed since ICC. We have gotten stronger and faced stronger foes than anything the Scourge could throw at us. At the time, yes, ‘there must always be a Lich King’, but now we could essentially crack Northrend, the continent, in half with our character’s strength. We have Azerite weapons that defy anything built on Azeroth. We have a LASER SHIP (well, if you’re Alliance).

We are far stronger than the Scourge was ever prepared for us to be, and we beat them at their strongest. Now some errant wandering zombies, however large their hordes, should be child’s play to brush aside like dust.

This is just straight up wrong. We cannot crack Northrend in two lol… cmon. Yes we have some items like azerite power at our disposal compared to before, but the idea of the scourge getting weaker with time isn’t true. No where in the lore does it say that they get weaker over time. The only reason we haven’t had to deal with them was because the Lich King had been keeping them under control and suppressing them. The whole point to Bolvar having to become the Lich King was for this reason specifically, they said it them self that the scourge would be let loose if there wasnt a Lich King. This whole event is to show that part of the lore.

With this change in the game, they’re basically pointing out that the scourge is actually extremely weak, and that Bolvar has been sitting there as the Lich King for years for no reason at all. He could’ve taken off the helm years ago and could’ve been free of it.

Again, Bolvar made the call when we’d just finished storming ICC. ‘There must always be a Lich King’ was before we had the Vindicaar or Azerite weaponry at our disposal. We have a cannon capable of obliterating a chunk of the EK pointed right at Stormwind. We can make Northrend literally not exist if we so willed it.

Lore-wise, the races of Azeroth were scared out of their wits at the idea of Scourge 2.0 so yeah they did whatever it took to put the genie back in the bottle, that meant Bolvar took the Helm. If the Helm is an intelligent entity, it’s going to do whatever it can to preserve itself, so shaping that narrative makes sense from a survival standpoint. ‘Break me and your world dies’ is a pretty good deterrent when those that threaten you have no evidence otherwise. Now, we do.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Illidillybar-bronzebeard

War Mode seems like a total misnomer in that case, the toggle should be changed to a switch that flips between “theme park” and “semi-sandbox” modes.

Did you lament PvE and PvP server separation as well? That’s all War Mode is.