We were all hopeful until the announcement that beta is starting next week and class changes window is closing fast.
With that announcement and the utter lack of communication and positive changes implemented, how much more “chance” are we supposed to give them?
The massive amounts of feedback on Priest Feed Back forum is just a waste? Have you seen all the communication they gave to most of the other classes?
They gave us 1 post and it was filled with nothing but a token gesture.
Its like “here, now be quiet peasants” Like the wording they used was really like a face slap moment to the community compared to what they said and acknowledged shortly after BFA release.
if you go back up and check i was the first person to ask people to leave this thread if they don’t agree or arent here to discuss how to fix VF.
Yes, I have posted some off-topic stuff, but they are all replies to people attacking me (and others who hate VF). them calling us a raging mob, trying to silence us or demean us by saying we are the vocal whiny minority does not fix VF.
absolutely but until I hear a good idea I wont comment. My agenda is very clear I don’t like VF, so unless I like a suggestion I don’t want to derail the thread.
If you think an idea is truly going to improve the spec and I don’t agree with it I won’t just say “hey this doesn’t fit with my fantasy of the spec restart again” that’s not a discussion. I think it’s better to let you discuss it flash it out, toy with it a bit, then if I see something that I agree with I will support it.
I’m good with them putting a cap on insanity in order to be able to properly balance our baseline non void form abilities so we’re better in M+. My idea for Surrender was make it remove said cap and let you get as high as possible and double your insanity generation to compensate. I think all of your ideas are good, but that’s because you’re willing to discuss it. 99% of #removevoidform people are being belligerent and are if anything hurting their movement. I understand people are upset and annoyed with Blizzard not doing anything for shadow, pro void form people are angry as well. But in the off chance they come in here to look for ideas, what are they going to see?
I mean, sure, they COULD ban 30 people for posting things that aren’t against the terms of service, but it’s not like we’re posting anti-China material here.
Yeah, I saw that at the top. I also refrained from commenting at the time for the same reasons you did, I wasn’t and am still not particularly enthused about the prospect of voidform staying. The debate in general has just become toxic, and I don’t want to be involved in it when it gets like that, no matter what ideas or topics im putting forward.
It doesn’t change what happened to it though, and it doesn’t change how that makes me feel about trying to move forward.
If you don’t like part of something, but do another, I still want to know. I’ve spent a good deal of time on my live priest trying to work out what exactly it is that makes the current feel of my character tolerable, and not just simplifying that answer to “borrowed power”.
It’s unlikely, given how you feel about the mechanic more generally, that I’d ever create or say something something that suddenly gives you a change of heart. Honestly I don’t even think I can put forward something that will convince me I’d rather have Voidform. That doesn’t stop me wanting something better than whatever the hell we’ve got on SL alpha though.
No… shadowpriests have been in the gutter in EVERYTHING outside of perfect gear multi target late raid fights…
Please, educate yourself and learn why voidform is in and of itself a problem and there is no change or bandaid to make it work… blizzard has had two expansions to make it work and thus far hasnt… only reason SPriest did well in EN was STM was broken… and promptly nerfed.
the time is now, blizzard has had nearly 4 years to figure it out and they cant. if you dont understand that please educate yourself.
a spec that takes a minute to start doing moderate damage does not fit in well with nearly all wow dynamics
Im one of the ones that would prefer a return to shadow orbs. but let me show my support here too. Voidform, in theory, is really cool. if they did somehow make it work then yes, i would be happy with voidform. However even fixing voidform would require a lot of work, probably just as much as returning to shadow orbs. So if you guys want to see Shadow priests start off strong and without the help of borrowed power (with or without voidform), you guys need to give feedback everyday when beta comes out!
They have clearly neglected voidform in 8.0+, they ran out of time; resources etc due to the extreme blow up with azerite. STOP and THINK about how much pain is from neglect vs voidform being the actual root cause of issues. How much CRAP the borrowed system not only blurred the lines on the actual spec we play but also how HARD it is for people to understand the EXPERIENCE is driven by borrowed power screwing them.
Borrowed power is your enemy NOT voidform. TRY and think deeply about that; give me 5 minutes of truthful reflection. Mass hysteria? COI? that’s not voidform at it’s core. Furthermore VF was gutted in 8.0 to allow space for these systems; which further contributed to ramp issues, haste in VF isn’t as nasty as these systems were. We sacrificed so much for COI in both camps of the debate.
help everyone have a better 9.0…please…I plead with you ALL.
even if you hate voidform with passion; put your voice into what makes it OK for you in the best version it can be regardless. stop throwing your “vote” away at this point, expansion is in 3 months? just because you offer feedback to help make it better for YOU doesn’t mean you have to like voidform 100%.
If the community can actually rally behind making voidform the best it can be regardless of anything else; it will deliver the best experience overall for everyone. yes…I mean everyone…I’m after a win/win. Which is why I’m so bothered that the anti-voidform people are not trying to get their own voice heard in a meaningful and productive way.
There are too many junk posts that are not constructive in any sort of way. At this point I think some of them just just enjoy the chaos.
On the other hand, the lack of changes in alpha is concerning. There are many valid feedbacks in alpha test post however the only ‘good’ change we had was removing VB2. Beta is happening now and the dev’s vision of shadow is still unclear.
Yeah tbh I hope those that are just spamming #removevoidform with nothing else to explain why they feel that way don’t start posting on the alpha (soon to be beta) forums because all the constructive feedback is just going to get drowned out.
The constructive feedback was given en masse months ago earlier in the 9.0 alpha cycle (not including the years of feedback from all of bfa and legion ).
When you ignore ppl as blizzard has for so long, you can’t expect them to stay perfectly behaved.
I can’t blame the community for being so frustrated at the disservice that has been done to the spec we love. I, however, am not willing to give up yet so as long as changes can be made I need to have faith they will be made. Because Shadow going live in the state it is now is completely unacceptable.
I’ve seen a lot of your stuff and it seems like most of your fixes revolve around being in voidform. My issues (and most of my playtime) revolve around how the spec feels outside of voidform. I quest, I do timewalking, I do world pvp, I do bgs, i do dungeons and i sometimes raid, and sometimes do a 13ish m+. Outside of long fights, shadow feels awful. It’s slow, its fragile, and it has little control. I ran a vision with breath of the dying (sorry hellipsis I should have listened sooner!) And it was actually fun! Why? There were decisions more than dot and facetank.
Voidform has to feel powerful but for that, power is removed from shadowform. We need some changes (mechanical or talent) to make getting into voidform easier or staying in it out of combat easier to really make everyday better.
Like it or not, borrowed power is perfect for raiding shadow, because you have to gear up anyway, and gaining it can be done during that time. What concerns me most is 50 to 60, dungeon gear to raid, and Torghast without borrowed power. All that sounds like hell, and without serious help, voidform won’t really work there even if it’s great on long fights.
I believe we have the tools at our disposal to make Shadow feel fine outside of combat that lasts more than 30sec.
You already alluded to this, but reducing the time it takes to get into Voidform is one. If the time it takes to get into Voidform is diminished baseline (because it is downright awful without LotV), then that opens up many more combat scenarios where it is usable.
The other is Devouring Plague. Its express purpose is to be used instead of Voidform in content where Voidform does not work. Now while just conceding Voidform does not work in some content and ignoring it is the last thing I want the devs to do, because of the necessity of Shadowform in Voidform’s design, there will always exist some scenario where Voidform is not functional. At which point you should resort to using Devouring Plague instead.
My hope is that both of these are addressed for Shadowlands. Because I believe them alone would remove, or greatly diminish, many of the pain points players have with Voidform and the spec.
Of course I understand. Priests are frustrated they aren’t being listened to. Drowning out the constructive feedback with hashtags and nothing else (which a lot of people have been doing, just because you’re posting feedback doesn’t mean everyone else is) the message starts to get lost in chaos. That’s all I’m trying to say.
They’ve even mentioned this in the past, it makes it harder to read through the feedback when they have to sift through chaos and rage to get to it. Whether true or not it’s something to keep in mind when voicing your concerns.
Are you opposed to making Devouring Plague the base ability and the spec plays around that and then having a talent that is “Void Eruption” replacing Devouring Plague and used as more of a raid / long fight build?
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