Compromise, we get both San’layn and the tentacle elves cause the Alliance arejerks to them and don’t deserve the cool eldritchness.
“What do the Alliance get in-“
NOTHING! You don’t get rewarded for messing up, you’re in timeout (yes I’m still salty about that).
lol
Well, it’s interesting to think about what Blizzard would do for this sort of thing. For Demon Hunters it was Night Elves and Blood Elves, so which one would be picked this time? Maybe Humans, or again Night Elves?
Fair, I didn’t mind it myself, but I know my lover didn’t like it because he felt the fighting was a bit more off? I dunno. Trevor as a character I also am just… not a big fan of. I like Alucard a lot, though, and the trio vampire ladies, they were pretty cool. There were some good and bad parts to me, for sure.
Yeah people wonder why I’m not a fan of void elves. I have one, but some do try to say “well now alliance reserve gothic/emo elves” even though both San’layn and dark rangers existed well before them. To be honest, though, they did kinda ‘highelf-ify’ void elves and might even more in the future, so giving blood elves another theme (if they went that route) would be fair (personal opinion is all! Yours is valid as well, I won’t ever put that down.)
My problem here is with the lore, I see them as distinctly separate. If they tied them together, somehow, that could change. I don’t know if they will, though.
That’s a pretty good point, and I didn’t think about that. Problem is… I have no idea how to do that D: might be a matter of tweeting people, but I’m not sure the WoW authors I’d even want to. Golden I’d avoid, considering the lightforged undead debacle.
Yeah I used to be more against this idea, but I’m starting to understand it more. If they had model toggles, I could see that, something like ‘undead elves’ for the forsaken, and then ‘human vampyr’ to give forsaken a “Nathanos look” without having to explain how exactly every single one found an identical-looking relative. 
That would give forsaken 3 models though, and of course forsaken (rightfully) want straight backs, so even more. People would argue ‘that’s far too much for them’ though… hm
Yeah you are very right there for sure. Also I forgot about the Quill, gods I was so heartbroken when no lore was given there ;-; It does seem like they’re not forgetting them, you’re right. Just not seeing them anytime recently had me down, but yeah… they have shown up a looooot more than I thought they would.
For Vampyr? Humans would make a lot of sense since they’re confirmed in Legion so there’s that! (More lore right away please!)
Just saying, if they apply San’layn somehow to forsaken, it looks like I’m going to need to race change like 95% of my characters, hahaha
nods
I still never made mine, stoopid blood drops in Underrot >_>
Yessssssss oh oh OH, the Cannibalize racial being turned into a blood drain effect would be so cool.
Yeah true! I know were were talking about how it doesn’t ‘fit’ San’layn before, at some point, but I dunno, after some thought, even if they didn’t change Cannibalize… it could work. Flesh-eating vampires would be pretty eerie. Mine do that on occasion. Just imagine a ‘regal’ looking elf lunging and ripping someone to shreds. Now that would be eerie.
Gotta get to that sweet tasty marrow.
Also yes I have seen your vampires, they got the chompers to walk the walk they talk :3
Yeeeeah I have a tendency to write a looot of gore… and feel like my characters give off the following vibes:
It is your brand ^w^
Been in a bit of a screenshot taking mood and have a couple sets to share with this post.
The first set is a few of a Blood Prince in Silvermoon!
A Blood Prince preparing to meet with the leaders of Silvermoon!
Guards salute the Blood Prince as he enters!
Meeting with the Silvermoon leaders. It will take time, but the San’layn will hopefully be welcomed back one day!
And the Blood Prince in murder row. I did look around, and there are several places that would be cool to place San’layn in bat form around here. I’m sure they would enjoy the shade here!
As for my other set, I discovered something…
I found another San’layn model I can pickpocket and turn into with glyph of disguise!!! It’s a bit bigger than other player models, but I’ll take it! \ ^ o ^ /
And this model can also ride mounts! Here is a San’layn riding a black hawkstrider.
Showing how a San’layn could look among other members of the Horde.
San’layn at the auction house to again show off how they could look around other members of the Horde.
Closeup shot at the bank.
San’layn checking out the bank. Wonders where the nearest blood bank is…
Closeup shot in front of Grommash Hold.
Saluting the Vulpera. Because not even the Darkfallen can resist the epic and fluffy warriors! Best to remain on their good side!
And another image meant to show off how San’layn could look walking around Orgrimmar.
I’ll definitely be planning some more screenshot sessions in the near future now that I have a new model to work with, even if it is a bit taller than normal. 
This thread shows how out of touch the devs/writers are with the horde playerbase.
Hordeplayers: we want playable dark rangers and sanlayn.
Blizzard: let’s turn dark rangers and sanlayn into enemies and force horde players to kill them all.
Hordeplayers: we hate the story.
Blizzard: surprise pikachu face
In fairness the San’layn were enemies in Wrath (and surprise guest star in Legion) but only enemies to the Alliance in BFA.
But yeah, BFA’s war campaign aka the main story SUUUUUUUUUCKED, and not in the pleasant vampy way.
So did the Saurfang story.
Great cinematics and I’m not at all mad about more Thrall, esp since he’s back to being a shaman, but man that storyline was trash and it was a trash way of killing and ruining our racial leader and one of the coolest orcs ever.
I was including that in the war campaign/main story.
Yep yep.
I have two race megathreads I’d love to have linked here. I will admit that I can come off as rude sometimes in threads, so it’s understandable if I don’t qualify as that is the rule you have set.
This is one of the areas where San’layn would make a lot of sense to be right now in current times, too, since the Row is typically where the more darker folks gather.
This is actually extremely important o.o What is the name off this NPC?
Reason why I say what I did above is because this is something I actually hadn’t noticed before on the NPCs, and am not sure if this is a glitch, or what. But look at his eyes–this is an instance of pitch black aside from them being on Lana’thel. I am unsure if this is intentional or what, but… that’s super neat. I’ve only got examples of one of my characters in art with the pitch black eyes (I’ve shared it before) but would adore that option for San’layn. Red is naturally great, but the pitch black eyes just bring something eerie. Something that swallows all light. It could shine or even have a reddish glow, but be pure black all the same behind. So, this is really neat, again I don’t recall ever seeing this before.
Super cool, I love seeing these ^^ You are always so creative with screenshots. Makes me sad that they never ended up getting model updates either, I’d really like to see some twisted features such as the mouth full of knife-like fangs, bat-like ears, maybe more gaunt (but still with that attractive aesthetic elves have), long claws (heck, even longer than normal would be interesting).
We have seen models get updates before prior to becoming playable–so that is on the table. Take, for example, Zandalari, which are a golden one (hah!) there.
Agreed >< While in the same breath trying to push Calia as a character most people can stomach. I, as a player of undead via Death Knights, hate her deeply myself.
Very true, and agreed. I do love the Death Knight story (yes I say that on a constant basis ) and was hoping something like that could be applied to our vampyr, or something like our forsaken friends (either way: Breaking free and becoming your own person).
We were SO CLOSE WITH IT in Battle for Azeroth and I will never forget just how much they teased with “If they can complete this mission, they will join the Horde.” In a race where they were pushing allied races. It was surreal, the forums were crazy with “San’layn allied race?!”, and I’d started the fiasco a month before any information on it, too. So had my hopes up so incredibly high, only to be let down considerably.
And it left so many unanswered questions, too. Like where Dreven came from, if there were more San’layn in Nazmir/are there more currently there now, where Dreven’s body is (considering san’layn can be brought back… as seen not only in Wrath, but reinforced in prepatch, along with other members of the scourge).
I’m sitting here entirely stuck with the thought of: “So… we saw Lana’thel and the Blood Princes (EXCEPT FOR VALANAR AND I STILL DUNNO WHY BY THE WAY) come back via the Mawsworn. Isn’t this a pretty big deal? What’s going on right now? What are the repercussions? We can’t just leave it there!”
I could go on and on and on about the thousands of questions I have right now regarding San’layn and the vampyr as a whole. Heck, I should make a huge list as a thought-point here we could discuss, because it’s a long one I haven’t brought up in a while.
Yeah I genuinely hated it and was made to hate Saurfang. That bubbled up when he sat in that jail cell in Stormwind and didn’t stand up to fight against Sylv with us (he just sat there… when he had the chance to leave and help us…) only to be released by the Alliance later. Grrr
I can post your threads in that index, toss me the links. You’ve never insulted me personally (that I’ve seen ) and I know some mention issues, but thought provoking ideas and well put together megathreads are fine, I think I saw yours and posted in a couple, but just to refresh, feel free to toss those links here and I’ll set them up for you.
I’d even add links the races I truly disagree with, like Lightforged Undead & Afterlife races, because it wouldn’t be right if I didn’t. I’ll always share my opinion on said threads in the most respectful manner possible, but never put down people all the same. (unless someone comes in here guns blazing and is very rude/insulting to me, theeeeen I’d give it a pass >.>). Thus far no one has asked me for those though.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. As for this thread, I’m fully in support for San’layn and them being added would absolutely bring me to the Horde.
Thanks for the support! Also, added the links for ya!
Thankfully they caught on to how much people didn’t like her and dialed back what her original prominence was going from the datamining > Beta > live
Having a San’layn starting area where you wake up in Azjol’Nerub and have to break your way out would be awesome.
I’m game :3
My main thought, they’re being traditionally vampy and operating from the shadows and NOT drawing attention to themselves.
I’m glad I checked here one more time before heading to bed.
The NPC I used is this guy:
Oddly enough, the screenshots there make his eyes appear green. I don’t know if it was the settings on my laptop or if it was changed or what. I did go back and mess with the settings, and they still remained black for me. I remembered to take those screenshots above with higher texture resolutions, so that wasn’t it.
The other NPC, aside from the Blood Prince, I can turn into is this guy:
Who seems to have the same black eyes when I turn into them, but has the green glow kinda on the screenshots on the links above.
Not sure how to explain it. Maybe they changed with the model updates, maybe I’m missing a setting with my laptop, maybe they got changed somehow over time.
Also those mobs are part of this quest:
I believe there is an Alliance version, though they get the more cinematic battle with the Blood Prince whereas the Horde just beat them up in a quest without much fanfare.
Quick edit: There are also these guys, who I can’t turn into them:
Same deal with the eyes, though I can detect some green around their eye sockets, which I kinda can also with the other two. Really weird…
Hope that was helpful somehow!
Oh really? I think there’s something wrong with my eyes to be honest, they look black to me. Or my computer screen. that’s been an ongoing issue for a while. Wonder if that will fix once I get a new one. Granted, my eyesight is also deteriorating, I really need to wear contacts more cough. But yeah, to me it does look pitch black with maybe a hint of green.
Which brings me to a good point, though, a pitch black with a ‘hint of’ a color like green or red would be pretty neat in my personal opinion!
Yeah that’s a good point, and I imagine that going on as well, since they keep just showing up at random and getting involved in stuff!
Alrighty time to sound like even more of a big nerd than I usually am.
The Current Questions I have Regarding San’layn