Same faction bgs. Why will alliance quit?

Sort of, but not really… You could turn off PvP mode, so it didn’t matter much.

In retail, it’s amazing how many horde run with PvP mode off.

But the point is the war mode bonus was better for alliance than horde but people talk about how dominant horde pop is in retail too. I’m just saying that whatever incentive you provide (within reason) people are still going to choose what they prefer

I don’t think it’s about preferences, it’s more a long the lines of option horde have more guides and opportunities for evey single aspect of the game.

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I don’t really see how pvp ques balance anything. If it did, horde players would be rerolling in numbers large enough to even out the que times. That isn’t happening.

Why would anyone choose alliance now? There hasn’t been a reason to roll as alliance for years. The advantage that alliance had in vanilla is that paladins were objectively better in content that mattered. Take that away and add maybe the game’s most popular race to the other side and this is what happens.

Players that are competitive or are considering being competitive players will likely go horde. There are more pug groups and there are more guilds to choose from. The real problem is that alliance isn’t competitive in anything and they haven’t been for as long as I can remember. As long as the community thinks horde is better, that’s where people will go. It’s going to be tough to unring that bell.

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Then there’s no issue in putting that incentive in.

You don’t believe that faction population will adjust because those changes because you truly believe people play the faction because of what ever aesthetics and not because of the advantage of that faction.

Would you play horde if you could never use summoning stone? If you were always out-numbered in any world content? If you could never kill world bosses? If your racials were worse? If your flight points were all in better locations? etc?

I doubt it.

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Back in 2004 everyone wanted to play alliance to pretend play Lord of the rings.

Most servers were over populated by alliance. I’m sorry that for classic the tables have turned.

I had to constantly deal with being ganked or watch as stones got campped by alliance. I ended up moving servers and going pve because of this fact.

Yes blizzard should have done better balancing at the start. However it’s harder to fix that now. If you wish to participate by making suggestions to what blizzard could do im all ears.

Personally I don’t care about wpvp drama. I just want que fix, bots fixed, AFK fixed, and Honor fixed. Faction imbalance is and will always be an issue. It was an issue in OG game cause players didn’t want to be “Ugly horde” its an issue now because “racials”

Also don’t blame horde for this. Many of us are old school horde and just want to replay same character. Blame the alliance that moved to horde.

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I think you are the one living in lala land with a suggestion like that. But its what ive come to expect from alliance posters on this board.

because we want to pick up all our toys and go home.

But why do you think that is? People prefer one side over the other, IF that leads to people playing together who might be more skilled than others (people have claimed horde overall are more skilled) and then that draws in more and more people because no one wants to carry dead weight. Whatever the reason people choose now it started with preference.

There are way more alliance streamers and youtube channels, which happens to be where most players get their opinions and information from.

It is based on the moronic idea that all Horde rolled Horde because of racials, and all Alliance rolled Alliance for fast queue times.

Ignore the dorks on the forum and your life will be better for it. Low intellect people love to talk like they know everything.

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But a change like that wont affect faction pop because people play horde for the aesthetics, right?

Honestly it was racial balancing issues the alliance were the dominant factions in vanilla, the horde simply has greater opportunities now. Be for anyone even questions if racial had anything to do with it look at cata with every man for himself.

I don’t even know what your going on about. What you just posted has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

When Wrath is still majority horde, like it is on private servers, you’ll understand that it goes beyond the racials. Generally speaking, horde is the better faction in almost all content. You’re going to have a tough time convincing people to go the side that has less group options.

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I always prefer alliance alts for fast BG ques. Once or twice I leveled alliance on purpose just to faction change once I got my pvp gear.

It worked a lot better when people actually played pvp on alliance. Now days alliance bgs are filled with Bots and Afk players or people that don’t care. Yes I can premade for faster ques but it’s a little harder to premade on pve servers…and honestly I find pvp server and wpvp to bea joke and the worst part of any MMO.

Part of why I don’t play alliance is due to solo que experience is just as bad as long ques. I know hvh fixes que issues for horde but it brings over alliance side problems. It’s just 1 solution to 5 other problems. Hopefully they fix the other issues as well.

I don’t know how much impact Streamers have had in the grand scheme of things. Honestly in my opinion I think the faction issue could have been resolved easier if it was addressed in a timely manner. The snowball effect has took in place a lot more opportunities were created for the horde by blizzards ignorance to the issue.

I’m saying that bliz can fix problems with alliance (faction imbalance) even with players with poor attitudes by giving alliance an incentive. But most horde (and maybe I wrongly assumed you too) believe that horde is dominant because of aesthetics and not because of all the advantages horde has.

If the factions had more balance to them, I don’t believe horde would be so dominant.

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Well I guess we shall see in the next few weeks.