That’s the most illogical statement ever. Go read the other thread on why we are really upset. Population of alliance on most pvp servers. Same faction bg’s make the population problem worse. Imagine not being able to go out in the world, use summon stones, quest, anything outside dungeons because horde dominate your server and kill you wherever you go. That’s why we are upset. Same faction bg’s make it so there’s no reason to play alliance.
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It’s too late for that. Horde has dominated the most difficult content for years. Alliance is so far behind that they aren’t really even part of the race. Alliance also gets screwed on playable races time and again. Blood elves were the beginning of the end for them.
Is it really?
Sure ill advise you. Significant pvp racial advantage caused most pvpers to go to the horde side. The few alliance pvpers who went alliance did so cause they knew theyd have lower queue times.
Now that blizzard has given horde instant queues there is ZERO reason to pvp on alliance side. All pvpers will now move to horde over time and in a year or 2, 95% of all BG matches will be horde v horde. Which is fine. At least we’ll finally have a balanced matches.
I mean, you’re an undead warlock. Course you went UD for its racial. Well so did most horde. Those who went alliance did so for the instant queues which is now on both sides
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It is. The community perception is the part that’s going to take forever to correct. If alliance is a brand, it has terrible brand recognition. That’s the reason that horde was still the dominant faction in classic era despite not having paladins and it’s the reason that horde is the dominant faction on Wrath servers.
I rather blizz not add HVH, I want them to fix horde que times but I feel like there is a better approach to this. Allowing horde to transfer their toons to alliance or at MOST and a last resort add merc mode. So maybe in merc mode we can get some quality horde pvpers. Or add Mix Faction bgs.
That negative brand can and should change for the health of the game.
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Racials don’t mean anything in large-scale PvP lmao
Sure, but you say that like it’s easy. Rebranding is neither simple nor fast. Just how would you go about doing that? It has to go beyond just taking racials out of the game lol. We already know that won’t change anything.
Give the alliance some better looking races and create some kind of incentive for alliance teams to do difficult content. Let people see that alliance can be competitive and it’ll start to get better.
Multi-billion dollar company could do things aren’t easy. I think it would be a start if they did anything at all, instead, they are making the problem worse (via same faction pvp)
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they even get loot boxes for free and are still mad XD
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Again, you say that like money fixes branding. Assuming you had an infinite budget, how would you start fixing this? Try to come up something that hasn’t already been tried. Most of you guys just say the same thing over and over again.
I mentioned Skeram and Heartseeker for a reason. Both are 100-0 servers. And how did they become 100-0 servers? And why don’t people leave? Simple, battlegrounds are crossrealm. If they weren’t crossrealm there would be no 100-0 servers. A server won’t exist if there are literally no battlegrounds going on.
The issue with TBC is that it was difficult to really know how long queues would be until everyone was already 70. And once they’re already 70, it is far more difficult for them to reroll.
If Blizzard offered free horde-to-alliance faction changes, it wouldn’t take too long before the factions reached closer to parity. Although it would still probably take a few weeks because everyone would hope everyone else would transfer so they didn’t have to. Only when the option sits in their face long enough, and they get frustrated enough, will they make the switch.
But if Blizzard swoops in and removes any reason for horde to reroll alliance(or for new players to choose alliance), we might as well all play horde.
Money purchases talented designers that fix problems. Money fixes branding issues. Many have made suggestions but we are not game designers. There are smart paid people to figure this out.
Because horde racials are better. Full stop, thats it. They’re better in PvP and PvE, as a result there isn’t a single reason to be alliance except to RP
Well they do help, just not as significantly. That said, what really matters is the type of player both sides have. On the horde side you have sweaty min maxer pvpers who rolled horde specifically for their advantages. On the other side, you have casuals who are dabbling in pvp to get that shiny new mount mixed with a few pvpers who rolled alliance for instant queues.
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If they removed cross-realm BG’s, they’d have to merge servers. The player base is a fraction of what it was when TBC was current. I’m not really opposed to free faction changes, but I don’t think it fixes the problem. If what you’re saying is true and that players make faction choice based solely on BG times, this faction imbalance wouldn’t exist in the first place.
If your in-game goals are to push competitive content, then yes, there’s almost no reason to roll alliance. You have less choices when it comes to pugs and guilds. How do you convince players that alliance can be competitive in that content? Fix that and you’ve got a real solution.
Horde pandering and faction imbalance is getting old. Also giant retail changes in classic is a no from me. Idk if I’ll quit for good, but I’ve lost most of my excitement for the game, and I’ve lost faith in Blizz being able to behave. I’ll probably keep on as a super casual using gold for a sub, or I’ll just play another game until wrath assuming I’m interested at that point.
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Queues were bad in early Classic, but by the end of Classic horde queues were pretty much the same as alliance, and faction balance was pretty close to 50-50.
What happened was two things…
- Most of the new players chose horde because every streamer told them how good they were.
- People rerolled horde for PvP because they didn’t expect queues to be different than what they were in late Classic, not realizing other people were doing the same. At the end of Classic, servers like benediction and whitemane got swarmed with rerollers who felt like TBC was basically a fresh start, so they might as well start fresh on a new server and as the better faction.
If BG queues remain at 1-2 hours, either enough horde will quit, more new/returning players will be warned about queues and play alliance, or the horde will get frustrated and reroll alliance.
But if you give horde same-faction queues, it removes any incentive for either current or new players to choose alliance.
With that said, I’m somewhat indifferent about whether it really matters if factions exist. I play on Heartseeker. If you want WoW to be a one-faction game, then by all means, support same-faction bg’s.
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Somewhat in the same boat for me. Pandering and perks to the majority PvP faction is anti-competitive and unprofessional. This is the type of stuff that happens frequently on private servers across games. Dev’s pet factions. There is zero chance that EMFH isn’t nerfed at least indirectly based on history the past 8 years. Alliance is no longer required to play the game. Welcome to world of Hordecraft. If you don’t care for the horde faction and not an alliance rp’er you are far better off playing another game.
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