Which is why you said,
No BFN in progress, but you claim there was a raid group. Sure. What addon are you using to get this info? You got a magical divining rod in your desk drawer which you whip out and point at the screen?
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Itâs always fun throwing putasos in Ruin raids. Throw downs every wheres ese.
What would be really funny is a big group of NâZoth censored players on Alliance and Horde joining groups made by big zerg communities such as SoD and RUIN and killing the players inside the raid group.
God thatâd be the ultimate troll.
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^^ Kind of agree. Ruinâs weird. Theyâre generally nice people, one of the oldest guilds in the game and easily the largest. And they tend to be well organized, with an active discord channel, multiple branches across servers, communities they can spam info into and twitch streams.
Yet⌠they donât really⌠DO much with all that. They do Nazjatar, ran the anniversary av constantly for alts, organize mass groups to do⌠world bosses, hit up a few old raids for transmog runs and so on. I think thereâs a small normal raiding team but itâs not really a feature of theirs. And they do do a few keys here and there from what Iâve seen but again⌠thatâs not something they concentrate on.
Their stated reason for existing is World PvP. Which⌠kind of okay but there isnât⌠much OF it. And they really only focus on Nazj - I never see them grouping up in 5 mans to do the CTA stuff. They donât do rated pvp, donât arena, etc. (I think they do casual BGs but only the epic ones. Never warning gulch, arathi, and the like).
My impression is theyâre a guild run by a guy who hates losing. Like⌠HATES losing. So prefers to pick winnable fights where his side can dominate the opposition. Theyâll pull out of phases they come into too late instead of fighting and risking a loss.
The sole time I was listening to their stream and they legitimately came in and still lost (heavy horde opposition managed to hold enough flags) the leader was really unhappy. Demanded that they stayed and punished the horde whoâd stopped them from getting a kill.
I guess, from the outside, theyâre the kind of guild I wish would do more. Huge roster, apparently committed to pvp. They should be kings of rated content. But⌠theyâre super casual. Really odd.
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Thereâs two instances of you all getting wiped but you claimed we had a âbad night of wpvpâ when we won all of our phases but one.
What addon am I using? Iâm playing the game hahaha what kind of question is that? I was in Nazjatar, there was no BfN and there was a raid in Newhome because thereâs a Local Defense chat.
What I mean by abuse of sharding is them completely outnumbering the horde in that specific shard - not abusing it to lag the entire place.
Fel,
Thatâs very interesting to know, although honestly cringey (not you, the ruin guy). Explains some things.
Personally, I donât think they should go into every shard with multiple raid groups. It guarantees a BfN win for sure, it is annoying and its not fun.
But again, your observation about their level of activity is something certain people should note: they donât bother organizing in mass raids in Nazjatar unless its the BfN. Yet, so many people come crying here about any lag they may have at any other time: Itâs a RAID GROUP! Itâs RUINâs fault!!! Again! THE SKY IS FALLING!
If I was that Ruin-leader guy I would be laughing at all the horde chicken littles that complain about them. They are magnifying the groupâs mystique, giving them free PR, and attributing lag super powers to them and spooking themselves and fellow horde out of any fight with anyone that just looks like RUIN to them, which apparently is any alliance when a personâs internet acts up with a bit of lag.
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You donât know.
You havenât a clue.
Just you and a bunch of other chicken littles complaining about stuff.
Hereâs a new flash for you: Call To Arms: Najzatar.
Itâs a wpvp quest that canât be done in a raid.
Both HORDE AND ALLIANCE get that quest
Both HORDE AND ALLIANCE form parties (not raids, parties) to do the quest
Where do you think most of the fighting happens?
On the Road!
And the fight goes back and forth from base to base.
On that road.
BOTH SIDES will have way too many people from creating parties.
By all means keep crying about the alliance and blaming them and only them for abusing sharding. Nope. Not us Horde doing any of this nonsense. Weâre innocent!
Itâs either that or contact tech support and fix your damn internet lag.
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I think the ability to win gives Ruin the ability to attract people to their guilds and communities. The cycle of casual pvp life so to speak ^^. If youâre alliance and aware of them (and its surprisingly easy not to) you know you can easily get a bunch of conquest from a free win (weekly battle reward - 100, battle 50, and probably the⌠75? from a supply drop if one happens while theyâre waiting for a battle to begin. And thereâs a LOT of waiting around.) Thats almost half your weekly bar for not much effort with a definite pay off.
So⌠I get the appeal. If a horde version existed the path of least resistance fox in me would almost certainly use them.
But⌠ultimately its not particular fun for either sides. Its just efficient.
Going forward Iâd love blizzard to implement some better way of focusing world pvp on whatever zone is relevant. E.g. In 8.3 shut down Nazjatar and move the focus to wherever the greater invasion is happening. Maybe make it less a wintergrasp âon the hour ever x hourâ battle but instead be something dynamic - like flags that spawn randomly, drops that occur, little mini npc battles that spring up, etc. Stuff to encourage skirmishes. Heck - maybe a way of relaying that a battle is happening to the zone or your capital city?
Pipe dreams ^^
Is this some Roleplaying that Iâm just not getting?
Iâm literally describing my anecdote: I was doing my emissaries, an alliance raid group formed outside Newhome and it lagged the entire area. No it wasnât the horde as we were all discussing in General Chat the absurd outnumbering of the alliance. No there was no Battle for Nazjatar going one because Iâm not blind. No it wasnât Call to Arms, I know how quests work. Itâs not internet lag, itâs input lag.
I think youâre missing the entire point of my post.
And tell everyone how you and your chat buddies âknewâ it was a raid group again?
Who had the magic divining rod?
The point of your post was knee jerk complaint where you decided to blame Alliance for âabusing shardingâ because you got a little bit of lag. Oh woe is me. Lag! Must be those evil alliance goons abusing sharding. NO. OTHER. POSSIBLE. EXPLANATION. Boo. Hoo. I PAY MONEY!!
EDIT: Been in a ton of those fights on the road. 30v30 at least and Iâm not counting all those damn NPCâs running around. Even push into the horde base and fight some there. The only time lag is an issue on any level is during BfN when 1 side or another comes in with extra raid groups. Outside of that, rarely is there a problem with lag.
Maybe your PC is too old for this.
But hey, continue with the baseless knee-jerk accusations. You seem to be good at that.
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Idk about RUIN, but if anyone tried that with SoD, theyâd be killed, ofc.
How would you know? As Wrathion said, how can you trust your own senses? Theyâd appear green, and at any moment they can use the Sliver of NâZoth.
Iâd love to see two zerg communities fighting each other when all of a sudden, half of the players in both communities just turn on the Sliver and just kill the remainder of their community. Then team up for the hour to kill both, as other censored players canât attack each other. Holy crap thatâd be so great.
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Sure but when we use the toy , you lose 60 percent of your health immediately and then have to use a potion or whatever to heal yourself . Enough time to be zerged if you are in the middle of a crowd .
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Thatâs fine, thatâs why healers exist.
Tinkerrific seems really emotionally invested in alliance faction identity.
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U know it was funny I actually quested in a group last night with a ruin member on horde side for the vulpera chain. Iâve only had 2 interactions with horde side ruin. That one and another where the dude said the alli side seem toxic and moronic.
Wait are u the cheerleader?
If Ruin is using the good will of the Ruin name to advertise the runs, attract streamers and âstraysâ because itâs a Ruin led run of BFN and theyâre streaming it on the Ruin twitch feed: itâs Ruin orchestrating the battle with those Ruin assets.
And yes, Iâve seen them organize the raids in prep for the BFN before the battle starts, not sure if their shard will be a BFN shard or not.
Iâd be just as against this behavior if it was horde side and yes, Iâve left several horde PVP communities I felt didnât play in what I think is the spirit of the game. To me, this isnât about Ruin, itâs about behavior I think, while allowed, is bad sportsmanship.
Hot take: the lagfest in BfN is both Blizzardâs fault, for creating the conditions that lead to the lag, and the fault of the zerging multi-raid WPvP communities, who know that what theyâre doing will destroy the quality of play in the zone but do it anyway.
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