Instead of a whisper, here’s a forum post someone made about us just recently:
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Prepared was garbage though. Malseph used to kill him 15v100, and a dk boxer on KJ named Tease used to 10v40 him.
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Switching to post on my bear since I don’t PvP nearly as often on my hunter. But yeah, I miss Malseph - solid guy and fun to raid cities with. I do have to laugh though, some of these folks crying both here in the forums and elsewhere on social media, upset about RUIN. If you think about how many BfN occur at one time, and subtract the shards that RUIN comes in and dominates, horde still dominate an overwhelming percentage of the battles. This leads one to believe those whining are just upset when they’re the ones outnumbered, and are total hypocrites.
Not to mention the gloating some of you did on social media about the very temporary situation you caused the GM of RUIN the other day. It’s mildly amusing at best watching you get your granny panties in a bunch over a group of people enjoying world PvP differently than you do, socializing, hanging out and running content together. The fact that you spy and sit in the discord or obsess over the stream is equally sad. I can imagine you sitting there doing recon, reporting back to your cronies made up primarily of blood elves and vulpera (totes adorbs), feeling smug and superior when truly, the joke is on you. No one in RUIN cares. They’ll keep doing what they do, having a blast while they do it. 
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Wasn’t there a picture posted on twitter of you and some of your friends using terrain glitches in nazjatar to get places you aren’t supposed to be able to get to?
Nevermind, it wasn’t nazjatar… it was the yeti cave during the winter veil holiday.
Yes…
In the context of the discussion being had. We are talking about wpvp. I’m assuming that you would be aware of this given the forum.
I am saying that you cannot use exploits to win to which you admitted to. I’m not making a generalized assertion encompassing all wpvp you participate in is this way. Otherwise I would have to prove this for all instances which is impossible. I’m being very specific about the scenario I’m talking about.
You admitted to it being true.
This is such a pedantic argument of semantics. I’m using the word exploits and exploit interchangeably to describe the instance of you using them.
Above argument.
I haven’t made this generalization. You’re assuming that I have even though I’m being very specific about a particular instance.
Even though you’ve admitted to previously.
Say there are 8 battles and Ruin has 9 groups going, (they’ve said they have anywhere from 5-9 groups and their goal is to hit as many BFN as possible.) If you stay and fight, and lose, it’s useless to go to another BFN if your goal is to win a BFN as you’ve already acquired your losing 20 conquest and the debuff is active. There aren’t that many shards with concurrent BFN to go to now, anyway, since it was changed to try and prevent this sort of activity.
I’m a lone wolf. I may join in with other groups on the finder but I’m not in a PVP guild, haven’t found a PVP community that feels like a home (not that I haven’t looked) and I report to no-one. I’m not in their discord, I’m not disturbing or trolling their streams. My feelings of smug superiority existed far before I knew Ruin existed and the truth is: Ruin does care they’re negativity impacting the performance of BFN and the experience of the horde, as it’s their stated objective. Ruin in Nazjatar, a limited run with set objectives and a win/lose scenario, that’s what they want.
Ruin cares so much about their perception they have players posting on These forums on alt accounts under not guilded names so it doesn’t “look bad.” RUIN affiliated alt accounts posting on this thread about how it’s no big deal about BFN, and how great RUIN is, how supportive of the alliance community they are have also, under that same account this very past week complaining about getting incursions done because there’s just not enough alliance playing in war mode and asking for more alliance buffs. Incursions aren’t a goal because there’s no win/lose on a scoreboard. They could dominate an entire shard for hours ensuring all the alliance could flock there and get their zone dailies done, but no.
No one in Ruin cares, you say? Write another couple paragraphs about how “they” don’t.
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Yes, the yeti cave during Winter Veil Holiday. It’s blocked by objects, but we were feared into it by the Alliance. It’s by no means LoS though, meaning players can charge and blink into the cave and attack us from outside the cave.
It didn’t sound like you were being specific. If you were, you would’ve said, “you need to use exploits to win against us” aka, your guild and friends.
In even numbers, we win. In Boralus, I did nothing wrong and killed plenty of your guild members. We were in the waters with a swim speed increase, and kited them in the waters of Boralus with 10 or so members on us. I don’t see an exploit here.
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Seems like you care a whole heck of a lot more. Some have posted that they go and sit in Discord, you yourself said you watch their stream. You then come on here to bemoan the audacity of it all. So much time invested, for what?
Their “stated objective” is to negatively impact performance? Where do you get this stuff? Pretty sure they do it to get as many people a winning BfN as possible. Talk to Blizz about the lag. None of us enjoy it. Might want to take off the tin foil hat and rethink your conspiracy theories about what they’re trying to do.
And here is the crux of the issue. All the badly bruised egos because in just a few phases of BfN, Alliance are able to get a win.
Based on your posts, you care way more than they do and it baffles me. Thread after thread of RUIN posts and you guys are pretty much free publicity for them. So, thanks, I guess?
You pvp as a tank there shadowblades? So not only are you running around in raid groups but you are going tank to?
Do you play battle royal games and hide til the end too?
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What about thunderstorming the entrance to naxx back in wrath?
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I’m confused.
Are you saying I should not PVP in a spec I enjoy playing, even if that spec is good for PVP?
Well I’m “sorry”, but I’m not going to play a spec that allows you to beat me easier, since I’m good at what I do, and I enjoy my tactics.
Just curious, what do you PVP as? Would you like me to demand you demote yourself to an inferior spec, or one you are not skilled in as much? Hmm?
Jajaja More Blood For The Blood God!
Good job carnal
Dh dps is one of the strongest wpvp spec out there, what are you talking about?
Are you saying havoc is an inferior spec?
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As a vengeance DH, I can beat a havoc DH rather easily (in fact, I’ve won a 1v2 where both of my enemies were havoc DHs).
Maybe not ALL vengeance DHs are great, but I KNOW HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS/SPEC.
So let me ask you again, would you like me to demand you NOT play a spec you’re good in or like because the spec is not “the best on the charts”?
Wait a minute…
Why aren’t YOU playing a Havoc DH? If they’re “the best” then by your own logic, you should be playing them.
Well…time to reroll!
I am playing a different dps spec. If I was playing a DH then I sure would play havoc
Yeah how geared were they?
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Generally I assume that the other person I’m having a discussion with is capable of understanding the context and usage of words, I’m not trying to be rude to you specifcially, I don’t think you’re a stupid person, but based on this whole conversation it’s possible that you may not understand how to develop a coherent argument nor do you understand how certain words are used.
If this is the case we can’t get anywhere.
What does this have to do with you having to use exploits to win in the example that I’m using? The pivot here is made more obvious by the fact that you’ve failed to address a great majority of the arguments I’ve raised. At this point I’d say we’re pretty done here. You’ve obviously shown that you’re not interested or don’t seem capable of having a discussion.
How certain words are used? You’re the one who wasn’t being clear in your argument. We were generalizing each other. You told someone they couldn’t fight with even numbers and that they required a multiboxer. I replied and said it’s rich coming from someone who needs a raid group to fight 3 people. (us in this situation)
I never said anything about winning or losing, you just happened to throw out there, “this is rich coming from the guy who needs exploits to win.”
You never said against you or your guild. I was arguing that you need a raid to outnumber people, not necessarily just against me, but against anyone you fight. I assumed you were saying similar of me, based off of what you said. The fact that you need a raid for 3 people proves my point that you need overwhelming numbers in order to win.
It’s a counter against your argument. It’s an example of me winning without having to use anything that you’d consider scummy or an exploit, yet you still felt the need to try to outnumber us.
The only argument you’ve made is trying to say that I need to use exploits to win. I’ve won fights against your group before, as well as other people, without needing to use anything. There’s been more times you’ve brought a raid for just me than there are more times I’ve used Kimbul against you. I’ve encountered you and your group probably 3 or 4 times in Voldun. The rest of my encounters have been in Boralus, Hillsbrad, Jade Forest, and Hellfire. All of which, I didn’t use anything, and you still required a raid.
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It was apparently unclear to you that me using the word exploit and exploits interchangeably didn’t refer to every single scenario of you using them when I was clearly stating one example. If this isn’t clear enough to you, there’s nothing I can do other than explain it to in a way that seems unintentionally demeaning because it’s too obvious.
And I said you couldn’t win without using exploits to which you admitted this was true.
You didn’t but you acknowledged that whenever we have a raid you need to use exploits which implies you can’t win without using them. Otherwise you would have denied using them altogether. Which, actually, you did just try to do but that failed.
And I actually said nothing about you initially. You were the one barging in white-knighting everyone including Shadowblades (at one point) who even used alt characters mass to like your posts in the most cringey way possible. I was talking about someone else who we wiped out twice despite the fact that they had multiboxers.
Suddenly you come in saying that we need multiple raids to win, but honestly you’re no better. You use exploits to win and you admit this.
I’m not aware of this nor was I there. If this should be argued then both of us needed to be there on the same day. Unless you have some kind of evidence to show that this happened then this void. We both were in Vol’Dun when you were using exploits to beat our raid, so we are both aware of the cirucumstances which is why I am being specific about this example.
I’ve made this argument, and you agreed with me that you use exploits to win against a raid.
You even just admitted now that you needed to use a quest exploit which was the avatar of kimbul to fight us to win. Therefore, proving that you need exploits to win.
You’re repeatedly backpedalling on your own statements and are creating new statements without a basis of evidence.
Using that water speed increase card vs people that don’t have it, snares cant even keep up, is pretty scummy.
That’s not even that’s just a different kind of advantage.
It sort of is like when you had to go to caverns for daily heroic being culling.
You could get up on top of out of reach places, and keep in mind this was before flying. Make them have a long death march to get to the dungeon.
It was sure fun, but it was still super scummy.
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No, you just need to be more clear. I wasn’t the only one who thought you were generalizing. Come spend a day with me on Horde side if you have an alt. You’re free to see how we WPvP.
For one specific scenario I admitted it. In Voldun. Whenever you bring a raid, yes. I admitted to something I did. It’s not my fault you need a raid to kill a couple of people.
Uh, I’ve never white knighted Shadowblades. Everyone here knows I dislike zerg PvP, on both Horde and Alliance factions. I’ve even said in another thread that if he overwhelms people with numbers, it’s not something Im apart of or don’t even want to be apart of. Also, I’ve never mass liked any of my own posts. That’s just cringe. You can tell who’s alts are who by comparing pet collections.
There was a time though when some dude was liking his own comments, completely different subject and not about WPvP really, and as we called him out, a bunch of my friends started to mockingly like my posts on their alts. Fun time, over 100 likes or so which was hilarious.
It actually wasn’t even the Mechagon Punch Cards that we used. It was the Feast of the Fishes food that we just bought off the auction house, and extended the time of the Well Fed with the bacon item. Anyone can obtain that.
I don’t consider it scummy either when we only had 4 people, (myself, blood DK, DH, and a sub rogue) and they needed 10+ people to kill us.