Sure it wasn’t fixed, but it doesn’t make it less of an exploit. You’re taking a quest mechanic that’s supposed to be used for a quest and you’re using to kill other people with it. You’re being hilariously pedantic about what is being used when in essence you’re doing the same thing that the developers wanted to patch out. Are you going to somehow produce an argument saying that it’s not “ashully” you whose killing you, it’s the NPC that’s following you? Do you unironically not understand that you’re still doing the same thing from the quest?
You are attempting to justify why it’s not an exploit.
You’re contradicting yourself.
You are saying that you’re justified in using exploits only when you’re fighting a raid.
Then you just said: It’s not the right thing to do. If you’re aware you’re not justified in using them, why bother in trying to justify whether or not it’s fine or not to use them against a raid?
And I’ve just explained why it’s still scummy. We’ve gotten nowhere though because you are trying to justify your own actions while negating this in the next statement.
Didn’t you claim we had a bad day of wpvp the other day and the stream clips show your group and the boxer getting wiped multiple times during an officer meeting we were having?
The funny thing is Ruin and CL don’t need malseph, but it’s readily apparent you can’t function without your boxer.
Where are you getting the idea that I’m saying it isn’t? I didn’t say it wasn’t an exploit. You know how this argument started, right? Your quote here:
I don’t know what it is, but you’re under the impression that, all of the WPvP I do, I have to use exploits to “win.”
All I’m trying to say is, I don’t. I’ve only ever used them against your raids that you form up to kill 3 people. Other than that I’ve never used any. That’s all I’m trying to say. You’re the one who forms raid groups to kill me and a few of my friends, a raid group, for 3-4 people. I’m rarely in Voldun. And I rarely see you guys in Voldun, which is the only case I’ve used anything. If I see you anywhere else besides Voldun, we just leave. We don’t even stick around to fight you because you have dozens more people coming to help you kill 3 people.
So please, tell me all about how I only use exploits to win, when I only ever used anything in Voldun against you guys. I want to say, out of the entirety of BfA, I’ve only ever WPvPed in Voldun a total of 8 times.
You did have a bad day of wpvp. You were all sitting in Mezz herp derping and we rolled in and decimated. Archaos ran from the boxxer. We had a little giggle over it. Then yall ran and did the WF after. I’ve been rolling with whoever wants to come along for wpvp, as we’ve all noticed, wpvp is dead lately, and all you guys wanna do is sit and get your welfare conquest and not fight for it. We are out there, daily, doing our thing to the beat of our own drum. You guys can’t afford Malseph is what I heard
The moderators do or they wouldn’t have restored everything. The only person harassing other people is you. Disagreeing with what you say or giving the opinion that what you said was stupid isn’t harassment.
I mean you can watch the vod for yourself. You surprised people sitting there chatting and killed some of them, then got wiped. The funny thing is, bragging about rolling around with a boxer when Horde used to do nothing but whine about Malseph. It’s peak irony.
Of course you didn’t say it wasn’t an exploit. What you did do was imply what you did do wasn’t an exploit. You made the claim of what you did was legitimate, so you I challenged your assertion that what you were doing was exploiting. You cannot do this then backpedal so far back to say that you weren’t exploiting.
Because I am using statements of your own admission.
You admitted that you willingly use exploits whenever large scale wpvp communities show up to win battles because “you do not like” large scale wpvp.
Eh, no matter how you look at it, we haven’t rolled with more than one full raid, most of the time it’s just a small handful of us. Can you say the same?
Dude, please read everything more carefully. That quote you quoted from me was me asking you a question. I asked you, besides Voldun with Kimbul, what else are you accusing me of that’s “scummy” or is an “exploit.”
In that quote, I said, “or do you assume everything I do is just an exploit”
I’m asking you to give me other examples. Is that not so hard to understand. I don’t WPvP in Voldun often, the only “exploit” I’ve ever used was Kimbul against your raid groups because you want to form up 1 raid for 3 people. How often do I encounter you in Voldun? How often do I even go to Voldun? Not very often. Rarely.
And how often do I encounter these large scale WPvP communities? Not very often dude. I rarely come across them. I don’t do BfN. I don’t actively participate in fighting against your community. I play with a small group of friends and we bait people in Uldum/Vale with Sliver of N’Zoth with group finder posts such as “Friendly Alpaca.”
DK boxers are a raid unto themselves. It’s called force projection. I used to roll with malseph into org with 3 other people and we’d take on groups of 60-80+ horde regularly. The only way to kill boxers like that is to gy Zerg them.
What are you going on about? I don’t think you understand the points I’m raising here. I’m specifically talking about the exploit you used in Vol’dun. That is literally the claim. I don’t see why you’re haphazardly now trying to bring up other instances of exploiting when I’ve named one already.
Yes because you were trying to challenge the idea that what you weren’t doing was an exploit. I already gave you the counter-example to it, and now you’re asking for multiple examples. The fact of the matter is that you use exploits. You admit to using them.
It’s not hard to understand, but is it hard for you to understand that you changing the standard of evidence doesn’t actually change anything in this case? If I brought examples ad infinitum of you using exploits it literally wouldn’t change the fact that you admitted that you have to use them to win because as you said, you refuse to engage in “large scale wpvp”.
What does the frequency of you participating in wpvp have anything to do with the current argument? The initial claim I made was that you can’t win without using exploits, to which you responded that you only use them because you refuse to engage in large scale wpvp. This point you’re trying to bring up literally makes no sense.
Let’s start from the beginning a bit, because there’s obviously some confusion going on here. This quote to start off with:
When you say “You can’t win without using exploits.” I’m taking that as, “you can’t WPvP without using exploits.” This is what I’m taking what you say as. It sounds like you’re generalizing all of the WPvP I do, not just with you.
I’m responding to this with it’s not true. I said earlier that, the only thing I’ve done, was use Kimbul against your raid in Voldun. I don’t go to Voldun often. The majority of my WPvP isn’t spent in Voldun. The majority of my WPvP isn’t spent fighting zerg communities. You’re saying “exploits”, aka plural, even though you can’t name more than one instance of me doing something. You’re assuming that, in all forms of WPvP, even when I’m not fighting against you, that I’m exploiting even though I’m not.
