Which amounted to literally nothing.
Try harder.
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Could have fooled me, I watched them positively crow about burning down Teldrassil and gush about what a successful Warchief Sylvanas was to do that.
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You wanted a choice, they gave it to you.
That’s your fault if you thought there was actually going to be a payoff for remaining a brainwashed traitor.
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Yeah, people were so happy when they found out BFA was just MOP 2.0.
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RP forums that way -------->
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https://imgur.com/a/iuw2bDx
I did.
I didn’t do the War of Thorns because I hated the story so much. I didn’t even log into my Horde characters for two full weeks, and I came quite close to quitting altogether. The only reason I stayed was because I had a chance to raid with an Alliance guild.
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imagine thinking that supporting a genocider should lead somewhere lol
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There was a giant thread on the RP forums about Horde players resigning from the Horde. Blizzard deleted that thread. Here’s my post.
Summary
It appears printed from a press in Orcish.
I, Treng, son of Treng , a national of the Horde, solemnly swear that I was born in An internment camp , Hillsbrad in 18 BDP , that I formerly resided in Orgrimmar , Durotar , that I am a national of the Horde by virtue of its formation .
I desire and hereby make a formal renunciation of my Horde nationality and absolutely and entirely renounce all rights and privileges and all duties and allegiance to fidelity thereunto pertaining. I make this renunciation intentionally, voluntarily and of my own free will, free of any duress of undue influence.
Treng, son of Treng, whose father was Treng before him
I’ve served the Horde since I was old enough to wield a spear. My father saw to that. First, it was hunting. Animals were fair game and troops had to be fed. You’d be surprised by what you learn about killing from hunting. One quick jab to the ribcage, just in the right spot, pierces the heart. It kills quickly. It kills well. It’s the least we can offer the dying. A quick death.
After a year hunting, I was given an axe and sent to an old human fort in Durotar. Turned out some holdouts from Kul Tiras had re-occupied Tiragarde Keep. I went in with a handful of other soldiers. Mostly Orcs and Trolls. Some Tauren, and a couple undead, but all of us, for the lack of a better term, green. We went in and we killed them all, but most of us killed them well.
No one deserves to die slow and in pain. Or at least most don’t.
I’ve served in the Barrens and Ashenvale. I’ve served in Stonetalon and Desolace. Truth be told, there’s more places I’ve been than I’ve not. I was a right and proper soldier of Thrall’s Horde. His Overlords would point, and I’d follow.
I’ve seen Warchiefs rise and fall. I’d been opposed to Garrosh since day one. I remembered how he was in Nagrand. How willing he was to let his clan die in his malaise. But I respected Thrall – he’d earned my faith. So, I followed Garrosh Hellscream after he killed Cairne, and he tore through Ashenvale, and sailed to the Twilight Highlands. Garrosh killed and maimed like a man possessed, but he didn’t kill well. He killed for the joy of it. Pandaria was when it became too much. Pandaria was where I drew the line.
I should have drawn it sooner.
I signed up with Vol’jin’s revolutionaries the second I’d heard news. The Horde was fragmented, and with Lor’themar’s help, Vol’jin stood as a unifying force. With the Alliance’s aid, we stormed Orgrimmar and put the tyrant on his knees, Titan artifacts or no.
Vol’jin became Warchief not long after that, and my son was born. I felt such great pride. And to see the homeland of my father, no matter how remote or incongruent, to see his people in their frozen homeland. I wish my son could have remembered it.
But then the Legion came and Vol’jin fell. And Sylvanas became Warchief. I remember standing in the crowd, one face among many, my wife holding our son as Sylvanas asked us: “Who among us would help her avenge him?” It was a masterstroke, in retrospect. I believed her, despite my best senses. But we got to Stormheim and it was all made clear. The only thing Sylvanas did in the entire Legionfall campaign was try to enslave Odyn’s Valkyr.
And so the Horde didn’t avenge its last true Warchief. The Alliance did most of the work, while we served the order halls and the Horde, itself, did nothing. Kil’jaeden fell, though I don’t know any who were there to see it. Nor Argus.
For any sensible man, this should’ve been enough, but I wasn’t sensible. I let it pass. And as the Forsaken killed women and children in Ashenvale, I let it pass. And as their tree burned, I let it pass.
All those people did not die well.
And finally we were called to Lordaeron. The Alliance’s counter-attack called in force, to make us answer for Teldrassil. And for the first time, I couldn’t say they were wrong. But it only got worse. This ‘Warchief’, Sylvanas Windrunner, equipped her Forsaken forces with special masks and gave them Blight equipment. She sent them into the battle, spraying down Horde and Alliance alike. And as they died, they did not die well. They choked, and gagged, tearing at their throats to breathe breaths that would not come. They threw up, and rithed in their mess on the ground spasmodically, but that nightmare wasn’t enough. Not for her. The Banshee Queen wove her magics and the dead stood again, tearing their flesh from their bones like some kind of macabre puppets before running head long into the Alliance forces. She had a message to send.
Orcs, Tauren, Trolls, Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes. It didn’t matter to her, as long as it wasn’t her Forsaken troops. She repeated this at least three times as I saw. It got kind of fuzzy and jumbled after a while. So many who did not die well were not only being weaponized, but cut off from their ancestors. But surely she’d let them go and release them when the battle was over.
The retreat was called. I don’t remember how we got out. I don’t remember how I survived. After a week I flew back out to Tirisfal in the dead of night. I had to see for myself. See if I could find my wife’s bones. I couldn’t. Not in that sea of blight. Not in that ocean of skeletons. All still animated. All still patrolling, or working. Some even on the tanks. And to the north east, some Forsaken stood with their masks, doing something to the Blight.
Now, I stand at the precipice. How many soldiers is she willing to kill to get what she wants? How many of our own will she sacrifice? I lost my wife to her lunacy. I won’t risk my son.
I should have learned my lesson with Garrosh. I thought that I had. All too late, I’ve come to the realization that Saurfang was right.
I won’t return to her Horde.
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Playing ESO for 500 hours in 2 months, readin books, quests, dialogues, getting deeper in lore - completely cured me from caring about WoW lore. WoW lore is like a twilight compared to ESO’s silmarillion
Blizzard now in my mind free to do anything they please. Give me calia, she has nice chest.
Didn’t they pull a horrible move with making the Dragons to return at Elsweyr despite Skyrim outright says that Dragons hasn’t even being around for thousand of years?
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Well, it explained in lore and even hinted about skyrim dragons as a joke like “Elsweyr dragons were locked away, but here in skyrim they actually dead and will not return”
https://puu.sh/GhLxf/d383a735c5.png
That just cheapens their own lore.
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there were always rumors about dragons in elsweyr
Alduin: Literally the end of the Kalpa made manifest when the dragon literally consumes the world.
ESO: yeah skyrim doesn’t matter, these guys are a bigger deal.
lmao
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Something I want to point out here; just because the Alliance isn’t in a position where it can continue to wage its war, the Horde isn’t doing so hot either.
War fatigue doesn’t mean the end of conflict. It means that they just haven’t the means to continue waging it.
That can and may very likely change whenever the story decides the next generation to replace the losses of the battle are grown, recruited and trained, the arms and armor are prepared and siege engines’re made anew. Waaaay too much happened for anyone to ever bury that hatchet happily. Maybe on a “do I really want to repeat the hell of this war and drag all these people down with me to seize vengeance, or do I let old dogs lay?” idea by those in power, but, not likely, since the wronged party lives for ages and can hold long, lasting grudges. It’s just one turn in a long series of bouts.
And I also want to comment on this one, because it’s not from a lack of trying. Tirisfal was literally blighted into oblivion. It’s not even habitable for the dead. Though you can see some pockets of the Forsaken still existing in Tirisfal, where you meet with Lilian Voss, Calia (groan zone) and the undead night elves, there’s a whole gathering of Deathguard in that outpost, complete with an abomination. I think it’s a matter of ‘when’ the Forsaken take it back, not if.
They did ruin Sylvanas and Nathanos forever when they did the Burning of Teldrassil event in the game and the developers casually called it a genocide.
Gazlowe and Calia being pushed as the new Bilgewater and Undead leaders respectively along with the first draft of “Undead tirelessly defend the living” appears to be a knee-jerk reaction to the sharp criticism of Blizzard trying to use genocide as part of Sylvanas being “morally grey.”
They really should not have written Sylvanas and Nathanos into becoming genocidal war criminals. What were they thinking when they did this? They obviously weren’t considering Forsaken fans at all since they basically have to upend much of the race’s identity now because they ruined their racial leader.
It also kind of ruins the Horde Darkshore Warfront armor sets too because they are largely inspired by Sylvanas as well as subfactions that are unlikely to remain Horde-affiliated such as the Royal Apothecary Society (most likely will get wiped out at some point and Faranell killed by the players or a major lore character) and the Deathstalkers (also unlikely to remain Horde-affiliated because they’re generally Forsaken war criminals, especially Deathstalker Commander Belmont).
The Royal Apothecary Society in particular has a questionable future if Calia becomes the new racial leader, because why would an organization known for producing the Blight remain under Calia’s Undead?
That is the thing about the possibility of Calia being the new Undead leader. We’d probably have to lose even more Undead characters in order for Calia to work as their leader.
And yes, it was always a problem to tie so much of the Undead identity with Sylvanas, but that problem is magnified at least tenfold by making Sylvanas an irredeemable villain who pretty much has to be killed off. It’s also part of the problem with Calia being pushed as the new Undead leader because Calia as leader would likely destroy any remnants of the old Undead racial identity remaining after Sylvanas’ departure.
The whole thing is a raging dumpster fire where they’ll never make everyone happy with what they eventually do about Sylvanas.
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Yep Eso lore is worse than wow if you actually cared about the setting
The only people who think eso lore is good are people who didn’t pay attention to the lore in the other elder scrolls games so they do t know how much was retconned
I’m not sure if ESO is canon to the rest of the series.
From what I undersand about ESO lore is that yes, it’s canon.