Saying eso lore is good, is the same thing as saying Sylvanas was a good guy, you need to ignore literally everything else in the story
The ESO story is very good. Critics are just too biased for Skyrim to accept a different take on the story.
retcon you mean
To be fair, Elder Scrolls in general is interesting in that any retcon they actually do make can be justified in-universe.
The most fun being the description of Cyrodiil being a jungle before Oblivion came out and changed it to a forest.
In Game lore explaination? When Tiber Septim became Talos he used his power to change Cyrodiil into a more livable climate, and then changed Cyrodiil in the past to always be like that so that despite having historical documents that clearly state Cyrodiil was a jungle, it is now, after Talos had always been a forest.
Like to me, this is next level eff you lore, and I love Elder Scrolls for it lol.
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Nathanos has always been a favorite of mine and to see him tossed to the side with zero respect and what they’re doing with shoehorning Calia in makes me sick honestly.
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Blightcaller was a god among insects. Blightcaller being taken out by Tyrande isn’t something I would call “tossed aside with zero respect”. Blightcaller went out like a G, standing his ground like he did in classic. I mean wow!
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Speaking about the Pre-expansion event, I am disappointed for a variety of reasons. The majority of them I suppose are just because I had expectations for what could have been a way to really let the Forsaken, at least on the Horde side, shine / take the forefront of the event.
Let me explain: We knew from prior lore that the Scourge would be going on a rampage, and that from the ending of WotLK that such a rampage could well threaten all of Azeroth, potentially overwhelming Horde and Alliance both, and that was before both sides were exhausted from a long drawn out conflict.
The Scourge should be some world-ending threat on their own, and I was really hoping the pre-expansion would treat it as such. Tides of Undead trying to break out of Icecrown, and flood Azeroth. The invasion starting off in Northrend and the Plaguelands before slowly creeping south as the event goes on. Reaching zone after zone, slowly growing into a world-wide threat. The plague returning, some intelligent, evil undead herding large groups to form their own undead empires as the Horde and Alliance struggle to formulate a response.
However, I was expecting the Forsaken to take more of a leading role Horde side, developing a cure to the plague early on (seeing as they made the cure during the WotLK pre-event) and forming more of a front line duty fighting off the invasions. Have Lilian Voss directing strike teams (aka WQs) against various intelligent undead and necromancers who were trying to take advantage of things. Leading the fighting along side the Argents in the Plaguelands, as they make Andorhall a bastion against the Scourge forces trying to move out of the Plaguelands. Characters like Calder Grey using the abundance of ‘fresh resources’ to make elaborate new Abominations, as the Forsaken take on some of their roots as being a group dedicated to the elimination of the Scourge.
Maybe even during the course of events finding a way to start capturing the mindless undead, and finding a way to ‘free’ them. Creating a new generation of Forsaken who once more were freed from the Scourge. Having the invasion focused on the Eastern Kingdom side of Horde lands, as the Sin’dorei and Forsaken effectively have to relive the nightmare that was the original fall of their former kingdoms, only this time History does not repeat itself because the other races of the Horde stand by them.
A chance for the Horde and Alliance to both feel Heroic as they push off overwhelming odds, with locations like the Wrathgate and the Deadscar once more seeing Scourge invasions, only this time the Alliance and Horde win the battles.
High expectations, I suppose, and ultimately feeling disappointed with what was on offer instead.
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After all, it took 40 players and the Night Warrior to take him out.
Also, I think Tyrande deserved that kill after 8.1, but many seem to be angry about it.
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You’re playing a Blood Elf so I hope you wont spend the rest of the thread lobbying for Forsaken fans. Clearly if you play one race you cant care about any other; right?
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Its canon until a Dragonbreak/CHIM/Numidium event happens to explain a change. TES is weird like that.
That said, I fully expect parts of ESO to get omitted if not outright retconned in a future single-player game.
I think BfA highlighted that the devs take next to no consideration into account for what the players want in their race or faction.
In a way I can understand why; You have a million+ players on either side, each wanting or having a different outlook on the races or factions at large. There’s just no way to feasibly squeeze every idea players have into them. At the same time however, you can pack in some of the more popular ideas, like Forsaken being d-bags but doing it for a greater good, or them being brittle but making up for it by being able to replace what is lost with replacement body parts, etc.
Sad fact is, they have their idea and really only care to change it if theres enough backlash, otherwise races and the ones that play them are stuck with pretty linear options.
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The issues are two fold, Firstly they killed some of the Primary Forsaken characters and had others go full evil. It is almost like they are still treating the Sylvanas/Nathanos stories as forsaken.
The second issue you have Calia who was primarily developed as an Alliance undead. A character you see mostly developed during the Alliance questing who then randomly disappears and then when we next see her she is portrayed is a Horde leader without any explanation. It’s almost like Blizzard think that the Horde player base actively did all the Alliance questing and know whats going on that side with Calia.
This was an issue I found during BFA questing during major events. Blizzard keeps writing important events that affect one faction or the other and locking it behind the other factions questing.
The issue is that the writers felt they had to villain bat Sylvanas to get her out of the Horde when The Forsaken player base was quite content with her as a leader. All they ended up doing is turning the forsaken into a Undead human faction again lead by the equivalent of the undead female Anduin.
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Benedikt, your love for the Forsaken is heartwarming.
Which is kinda ironic, given that the Forsaken are cold corpses, but you get the point.
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And I’m honestly just worried about the Forsaken. Because I love my beautiful bone bois.
But as a general Horde fan? I’m, still very confused at the disappointment. We have the Zandalari. They have Bwomsamdi - the best character in WoW, to say nothing of His Holy Circumference, Krag’Wa.
Generally speaking my reaction to the Zandalari;
Plus I can tame the undead ones as of SL! Zombie T-Rexs!
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Just look at the current roster of Horde leaders, the disappointment speaks for itself. Hell, more than half of them don’t even have unique models.
We’ve literally had Bwonsamdi since Wrath because of our very own Darkspear. We frankly did not need the Zandalari to have Bwon.
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Dude. It’s called World of Warcraft not Soap Opera Of Loose Fantasy Tropes.
Tirisfal and the Undercity being taken away with no indication of a suitable replacement is my concern. Idc about the leaders unless they take away from the settings I enjoy. Which Windy and Natty Blight did. And Calia threatens to do the same. So I hope my toons get to eat their faces off their screaming skulls.
But mainly I just want a nice rebuilt Forsaken capitol with a bunch of new art assets. And all of the actually interesting Forsaken characters given some spotlight.
Because who tf cares about Meanie McGhostboobs and Growly Bowman the non-characters? They had potential but it was squandered. Maybe their mutilated corpses can serve the Forsaken as meat wagon ordinance.
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I can’t figure out what you two are arguing about to each other. Aren’t you both in agreement over your disappointment regarding the faction?
I am still sad over the devastation of Tirisfal. But I could care less if the cinematic is Tyrande reenacting that scene from Marathon Man and Nathanos.
The hero characters have never been that interesting to me. Nor anyone. You’re lying if you say otherwise.
Why do you think there was such a visceral reaction from Forsaken and Nelf fans? Our starting zones and cities got wrecked. These were the places where many of us fell in love with our respective factions the better part of two decades ago.
It was like somebody smashing a beloved childhood toy in front of you for no thoroughly explained reason.
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If that’s your belief then you apparently find a vague concept to be the same thing as an actual character.
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We literally summon him to help us kill Zalazane during the retaking Echo Isles event. He’s been an actual character.
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