If anything forsaken fans are the loudest now that elesan left
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Honestly, they haven’t shut up ever since they stopped being godmode in Cata.
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Tbh the biggest loss the forum had for as long as i have been here has been Exacitor. I really miss that gnome was probably the best poster here.
And since i wont get beta i am sad to see we traded one Robot for a Boring AI (erevien)
Lena leaving didnt impact much. Nelf fans are fun as hell though.
Oh and yeah Elesana = Lena. it was freaking obvious.
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I don’t remember who that is so I’ll have to take your word for it
(Spoiler): WIP Ardenweald Cutscene - Vol'jin, Bwonsamdi, Winter Queen - #13 by Exacitor-wyrmrest-accord this mechagnome with the ehm old republic speech pattern for robots.
Unfortunately, Spudd, not my circus, not my monkeys. I have no idea about the context of those threads nor do I know what groups that were contending within it. I only hop onto the forums so often nowadays and the roster of folks on here just keeps changing.
Specific, how, exactly? Am I not entitled to believing this? I have my evidence in-hand and even more from the upcoming expansion that supports this claim from my PoV.
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You are entitled to believe it, and I would never report it even if I disagree with it. My point is simply that stating that opinion very much opens the doors to a “tug-of-war game of who’s faction [or race] has suffered the most”, since you are making a claim about this race having got the worst treatment.
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I would say, Nelves and Forskaen are my favorite races. So bet how I feel about BFA…
I think the Forsaken have been treated fairly badly, but I wouldn’t say they have been treated better or worse compared to others, notable Night Elves.
Forsaken have really just lost, and treated mostly as an after thought in an expansion that impacts them the most. Some of their mistreatment matches with the mistreatments of the Night Elves. They lost their home, they are forced to live in Ogrimmar (Sw for nelves) despite there being far more thematic and convenient places to put them. Nelves got some Night Warrior stuff but it was kind of lack luster with an inconsequential quest chain, an endless battleground that just gets stale after a few runs, and an incomplete victory cinematic that was never implemented, at least not that I saw. Forsaken got some characters like Derrick and Calia, but they are about as neutered as Forsaken can be, and are more Human/Alliance characters than Forsaken. Both got some neat thematic gear and mounts at least? The Forsaken leader is a traitor who doesn’t care about them, despite being the pioneer of Forsaken identity and a vital piece of Forsaken culture. The Night Elves lost Teldrassil, which was more than a city, it was a monument to every accomplishment they had done precata. It carried nature’s blessing and the Blessing of at least some of the Dragon aspects. The affects of this is unclear, but its not outside of the lore to say as a result of this, Night Elves become susceptible to poisons and diseases, and perhaps even their fertility is affected. Case-in point, we never saw a Kaldorei child until Cata, where there is an infant seen in Moonglade.
I would say the difference now is the Night Elves seem to be promised some things going forward, but given how Blizzard writes, is that a boon or a curse? Sometimes I think the races who are ignored by Blizzard have it off best.
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Again, we see dismissing attention the Night Elves got because of “Teldrassil”. If you want to say that you are “more entitled” because of that, then say it. We all know that people disagree that only HE players have a right to complain. But this trying to spin every bit of attention, to the point where Blizzard has spent more time on the Nght Elves than most races, as “nothing” is not convincing to me.
-Actually the attention in the book was about something, addressing Sira and setting up Tyrande in Shadowlands. Even if it wasn’t, if the book had actually deviated from the plot just to give another race attention, I think NE would be complaining about that. And, again, it is more than most races get. Having Sira captured and confronted by Tyrande is a significant lore development. The NE got a lot more than most, but it doesn’t count because it didn’t have a high page count?
-Having a warfront dedicated to attention centered around one race (whether or not Blizzard announced them as victors) would be something that would be cited as something NE’s “never get”, but since they did, it was insignificant.
-Having Blizzard make your leader a central figure three expansions in a row is something that no other race can match.
You can talk down the specific examples and spin them as “nothing”, but they are more than most races get and I’m convinced that if they had been given to other races then we would be seeing plenty of posts about how NE’s don’t get that.
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Lies.
I’ve done every quest involving Voss, read every line of dialogue she has in the game, and nowhere does that accusation hold any ground.
She responds to undeath extremely poorly - because she was raised by the Scarlet Crusade.
Then she goes on a one woman war against both them and the Cult of the Damned, successfully, neatly destroying two of the Forsaken’s greatest enemies in Lordaeron.
She pops up in WoD as a necromancer slayer but I think all free willed undead hate those guys pretty thoroughly. Gandling showed a sufficiently powerful one can still break the Will of the Forsaken.
Then in Legion she pops up and is the specialist at hunting the Legion’s mindless undead. Because she’s hunted Necromancers across worlds at this point.
And some undefined reason?!
What sort of opportunity?
Voss: It doesn’t take a prophet to see that Sylvanas will use this war as a means of bringing more Forsaken into the world.
My own conversion was… difficult. I had a lot to work through. Many scores to settle.
I haven’t let go of all that. But I also feel an obligation to help the newly risen adapt to their situation. Perhaps I can spare them the sort of pain I endured.
And what of the Alliance?
In life, I was raised to hate the undead. Trained to destroy them.
When I became Forsaken, I hated myself most of all.
But now I see it is the Alliance that fosters this malice. The human kingdoms shun their former brothers and sisters because we remind them what’s lurking beneath the facade of flesh.
It’s time to end their cycle of hatred. The Alliance deserves to fall.
Everything she says makes perfect sense with her character as presented. She comes full circle from having the worst rebirth day ever to tending to newly risen Forsaken to stop them from following her path of nigh suicidal self hatred.
She’s the best characterized undead character in game by miles.
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i don’t know about the players, but sure as hell the character deserved it, pretty much for being a genocidal maniac of another playable race. i think he was doomed the moment warbringers sylvanas was out, same thing for saurfang and sylvanas.
Now as for calia… that’s a low blow blizz… why not just use voss i just… don’t get it. will she find a diplomatic solution for lordaeron or what? is that why she is here?.
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That’s been my ongoing question since she was introduced in 8.3. And all of her dialogue and actions seem tailor made to make me dislike the character.
And I was initially pleasntly disposed. Because, frankly, I thought she was going to be an allied race leader and I want undead Paladins which I was convinced she’d lead to.
Instead she’s a boring idiot who says only the blatantly obvious and seems to exist just for the benefit of the Unelves. Who I could not care about less because not one of them had an ounce of characterization.
Sira gets whole PoV chapters and she still never advances past GROWLING NOISES.
There are so many Forsaken characters who charmed their way into my memory with just a few quests who could be fantastic if they just got some screen time. Why are these boring non-characters being stapled to my leg?
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Oh look I literally just made ANOTHER Night Elf
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I remember a few threads and such covering Calia when Legion was being datamined.
The threads were done by Alliance players. I am guessing killing her off and making her undead caused them all to write her off.
So she was asked for, just not as an undead nor by Horde players.
That said I have no idea why they have taken the character in the direction they have.
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This applies to a lot of characters.
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Yes, it’s just terrible that you’ve reveled in being straight up evil under someone like Sylvanas and are now paying for it.
The bad guys never get away unscathed in a fantasy setting. If you thought there’d never be consequences to what you and your leaders did in BfA, that’s your own fault for choosing willful naivety instead of being realistic.
Yeah, because Horde players had a choice in the direction of the story.
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They certainly didn’t mind the direction of the story until they started to LOSE. THEN it became ‘poor writing.’
And are you forgetting how Blizzard gave you the option to keep following Sylvanas like a brainwashed tool in secret?
I did? You’re assuming quite alot here, pal.
Being realistic would involve not writing a story like BfA that makes one faction commit warcrimes against the other and forcing them to spare the transgressing faction in the end because it’s a two-faction game that requires two factions that the devs are so adamant about keeping around.
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False. Horde players were not happy when it turned out that Sylvanas did, in fact, burn Teldrassil. Despite Blizzard being coy about it. Especially after it came out that Lordaeron was in response to Teldrassil and not the other way around.
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