You can’t tank the damage in Torghast by the time it is threatening to your pet. It isn’t possible. Hunters are nowhere near tanky enough.
I haven’t done a Torghast run as BM or SV yet (just MM), so it might be different there, but AFAIK there aren’t any anima powers to buff pet tankiness. There is one to give 90% DR to your Misdirection target, which helps a lot, but you might never see it.
You can kite to some degree if you have cleared areas to do so, but that’s really dependent on the floor layout you roll and whether there are patrols you haven’t killed yet.
You would think they;d add something to boost them. Sad to see there’s nothing. But you also done them as MM, where pet isn’t a major thing compared to the other two.
The pet is a major thing when you are soloing elites. I ran LW most of the time (as I have since it was introduced in WoD), but when a big bad came out, so did the pet. Between the Leech, Primal Rage, and the pet holding aggro, the previously impossible became possible.
I’m not sure why I continue to take the bait when I’m 95% sure Azagorod’s entire MO on this subforum is to crap all over Hunters and put down their concerns as a result of some underlying contempt of the class and its players (same goes for Darkeforge posting cringe daily), but I guess it’s for the 5% chance that he’s genuine and actually believes the drivel he posts. So here goes:
Forgive us for not trusting Blizzard to fix things.
It’s not enough to push a terrible change and say “don’t worry, they will probably bandaid fix it”. Firstly, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a terrible change. There is no amount of additional pet tweaking short of making pets functionally unkillable that is going to make it not a terrible change. Secondly, there is no indication that Blizzard will do anything to address these concerns, much less a reason to treat it as a given. “It’s only alpha/beta” has been memed to hell at this point, and for very good reason. There have been far too many times where terrible things in the testing phase steamroll all the way onto live servers. I’d like to remind you that Spitting Cobra still doesn’t function on the Shadowlands alpha beyond 25 yards and that’s been broken since the BFA alpha.
Forgive us for not having faith in every healer in the game suddenly learning to be mindful of pets.
Even if this did magically happen, it just means no one will want to bring Hunters to their groups. Knowing you, though, you probably think that’s a good thing.
This is such a ridiculously misinformed statement that I consider it to be hard proof you don’t actually play a Hunter.
Being able to lock a DPS out of the game without even having to kill them is too good an opportunity to pass up. Make no mistake, this will end Hunter participation in competitive PvP.
Take it from a 12/12 mythic Hunter: you’re full of it. You’re bascially arguing that we can solve the issue of our pet dying by not using the pet to tank things… i.e. not capitalising on one of the biggest selling points of BM stretching all the way back to the earliest days of Classic. It’s unreal how you can propose this while also saying “this won’t change much”.
Alternating between the pet and the player is not even a feasible strategy given Distracting Shot no longer exists. We would have to rely on Play Dead which a) has a cooldown and b) would utterly screw us in multitarget situations.
Confirmed: has never played a Hunter. Stop wasting the time of everyone on this forum and stick to a class you do know.
Congratz you have done content where other players are doing their job while yours is to DPS. Cool, there’s more in the game than just that.
Sorry you cant do it? Not everyone is able to do stuff.
Confirmed to be the #1 hater on a spec he hasnt ever tried. Stop wasting time on these forum with the hate crusade and bring positive arguments. Derp derp, he s arguing with me, so he doesnt play hunter at all!
We can all easily write trash. I’ll just go back at ignoring you… nothing has changed.
Either you are the most ignorant player and believe the stuff ur spitting…you are a troll…or u seriously haven’t touched hunter…with each new reply you give you show just how uninformed or ignorant you are.
You just told a mythic full clear raider that he needs to learn to play his class. You told 2 ex number 1 on United States roster bm hunters that they need to learn how to play.
You literally must be the only hunter god far above the rest of us to know these cool tricks that keep ur pet alive. Lol im not even going to pick every mistake apart you’ve stated as you always have a dumb reply to each circumstance we could point out anyway. Bepples, Hogx I’m sorry for this guys clear ignorance. He’s actually to ignorant to know he’s even wrong. His examples hes using are even bad. He claims the enemy team in high rated arena would choose to do anything else but stop the Hunter Rez from happening…he’s actually so inexperienced he doesn’t realize stopping the Rez far outways anything else…and if he doesn’t realize that then his other points are completely nonsense.
You are correct that raiding experience, in and of itself, does not make you good at pet management.
You are wrong about everything else you posted in this thread. You either have a fundamental misunderstanding about the problem, you don’t understand the limitations of the toolkit as it exists today, or you have some completely secret method that nobody else knows about that makes you better than the rest.
You have to stop replying to his every whim. Call out his bad advice as I did earlier where he initiated to tell hunters to practically get in arguments with their healers, and shut him down like that. This went from PvP to now talking about Torghast and digressing off the topic at hand.
Between him and Darkeforge, theres a lot of troll going on. You just have to take what they say with a grain of salt and disregard most of it.
He’s consistently wrong not just in this thread.
Again you all have digressed off of the PvP topic and went astray. 6 second rez across the board sucks. It is easier to control in a PvE environment, but definitely a nerf not necessary. PvP wise it is a total game changer, and definitely for the worse.
I’m ok with 6 sec revive pet if we can get spirit bond back, have our pets have a bit more armor and in addition to our mend pet we should get a dmg reduction cd for our pets similar to what our spirit pets get, but baseline for all pets. They would still probably die if focused, but at least this way we’d have a chance at keeping them alive through proper management.
I don’t even really disagree with the concept honestly even if I really dislike it right now, I just don’t understand why this needs to be a thing for just hunters and warlocks.
You can pick a pet with a DR, but then they don’t have Mortal Wounds, Purge, or Snare.
Speaking from an MM perspective, I don’t want to have to waste any more GCDs or mental bandwidth than I already do on keeping my pet alive. I understand that calculus is likely different for BM or SV mains who have a much more impactful pet.
PvP wise this pet doesn’t hold the weight over a Cunning with Mortal Strike. The cunning / mortal strike pet is not only overwhelmingly better for it’s utility, but it will unfortunately one of the least tankiest pets (raptors, hyenas, and rodents).
The last time I seriously PvP’d was in TBC, when I spammed 2v2 arenas to get my Season 3 axe because I needed a better melee weapon for Hyjal progression.
My perspective on pets is PvE Marksman, where I don’t use a pet at all unless I am trying to solo something tricky and I need a pocket tank. On the rare occasion I PvP, or if I know PvP is a possibility, I run Sporebat.
