My favorite monologue in that IP is far and away;
He just has a professional respect for this Human Inquisitor and saw the Stormtroopers she sent to attack him as a gift who were merely poorly instructed as to the nature of their delivery.
Travel across the great dark takes time.
It isn’t instantaneous.
Night elves normally turn to wisps and have an Azeroth interlude before trundling off to whatever eternity awaits.
And some of the wisps seem to really linger.
This was working as normal for War of Thorns, and my one sign that this was planned is that we get oodles of wisps coming up from Ashenvale in wake of the Horde, but not coming off of Teldrassil as it burned. As far as I remember. I might be wrong.
So, again, kinda dumb, because night elves are the one species on Azeroth that have a lag period before Shadowlands. Well, normally. Before Elune was hit in the head with the idiot dodgeball.
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Utterly impossible.
The Arbiter has been broken since Argus and the Kyrians had not halted in feeding the Maw.
We only find night elven souls to save in the Maw as well, re: Ardenweald’s quest chain.
Again, Elune fully expected that all nelven souls would end up in the nelven afterlife of nelvenwield. That included the angry ones.
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Well, again, night elves NORMALLY don’t leave this mortal plane right away.
They linger as wisps. Presumably without getting judged until they actually do move on. And we had tons of them coming out of the war – that was part of the WALL O’ WISP in the prepatch.
Until Elune decided to withdraw that particular aspect and night elves suddenly headed on to the afterlife like everyone else.
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Pretty sure magic just does whatever the authors want it to.
Did Bastion quests specifically state this is what happens to night elf souls specifically?
Malfurion was wrong unless Bastion specifically states he isn’t. Night Elves went to the maw because the arbiter is broken. The arbiter has been broken since Argus.
The wisps in Ashenvale could’ve easily been wisps in Ashenvale since Cataclysm.
I don’t think it works like that; I think the usual night elf cycle is alive, wisp, Arbiter.
And night elves being the way they are, a high proportion probably wind up in Ardenweald.
I think the intention was that Elune’s intervention was to bypass the wisp portion (hence no wisps coming out of Teldrassil) so the dead would move on directly to the Arbiter.
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Blizzard didn’t care about the cycle when they retconned nelves for Ardenweald.
The retcon happened.
Tbh I think you guys are vastly overestimating how familiar CDEV is with the lore.
If they let Golden give Worgen tails and retcon the entirety of Forsaken society I’ve to imagine they don’t know about wisps.
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Bastion gives very specific examples about what Kyrians are allowed to collect, and what they aren’t. To the best of my knowledge, wisps are never mentioned as “things they aren’t.”
I mean, this is one of the few things from Shadowlands leadup that actually makes sense and works in context.
Mostly.
Even Elune basically straight up admits she removed the wisp functionality so Ardenweald could receive a tide of souls. If she was just blindly trusting Nelves would end up in Ardenweald, her conversation with the Winter Queen makes even less sense. Which, I will point out repeatedly, still leaves us at Ardenweald is nearly a zero sum anima recycling realm. Sending souls to fix a drought there means sending souls to be used as food to keep other beings going.
In other words, “Oh crap, my sister needs help. Sorry my most beloved children, but you need to go be turned into soul mulch for some pods in the Afterlife.”
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No, she doesn’t.
Wisps aren’t ever commented on.
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Actually regularly saw Troll soul models in the Maw and Torghast, so seems he missed some.
This was even seen in the Horde introductory questing to the Darkshore Warfront, where some of the Night Elves had not passed on yet after death and were Wisps in their bodies until the Horde player tried to make them undead and when rejected the Wisp would come out and attack the Horde player.
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Why would she say “in the wake of tragedy, sent forth the cascade of souls to sustain you” to the Winter Queen if there was no influence she could have exerted on the situation? If she had no power to bypass the Arbiter to get them to Ardenweald (she clearly doesn’t) and had no power to prevent their souls from going to the Shadowlands (wisps) then her and the Winter Queen are both sharing some schizophrenic delusion.
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I always thought night elve souls went to the emerald dream and their wisp was their tether to Azeroth. Until this of course.
Azeroth also has many ghosts as well, implying Kyrians only collect those ready to go.
I don’t think she has to bypass the Arbiter, but just put an Elune stamp the souls. Care of winter queen, thanks.
The average horde citizen saw the War of Thorns as a great victory. Saurfang had to sacrifice himself to make the Horde see Sylvanas as a bad warchief. When the Horde arrives in Zandalar, it is a horde that is finally beginning to accept the forsaken as people, and equal members of the horde, instead of weird, untrustworthy zombies they need in EK. That is in no small part due to the popularity of Sylvanas.
First, she put her “bulwark against the infinite” under the command of the horde PC, for the purpose of fighting the legion, in direct contrast to Genn Greymane who took the Gilnean forces to hunt down Sylvanas. Also, Helya was neither a demon, nor an enemy of the Horde. She was an enemy of Odyn who decieved us under the guise of an old Vrykul. Our fight with Helya is very circumstantial.
The people who had a problem with Sylvanas leadership from Broken Shore to Zandalar were in the minority. Literally a couple leaders who participated in the atrocities they blame on her, and probably the horde soldiers she blighted… but the ones who burned down Teldrassil (the ones we are aware of) feel victorious. The ones who escaped Lordaeron without being frozen alive by Jaina? Much less judgemental than Saurfang and Baine. Saurfang literally explains this to you by proxy of Anduin, when he explains that Sylvanas is the rightful inheritor of the Horde. When he admits that Sylvanas didn’t change the Horde from his Horde to her Horde.