I’m not. I just want a real cool BG and EBG to show that hostility. And maybe some PvP hotspots on the map. That’d be cool.
But the PvE story, which is intrinsically and soon to be literally coop, should provide hope for a better tomorrow.
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I cringe at the thought.
Probably more stuff like Exploring Kalimdor where Zekhan is bewildered why the NEs are mad and hopes one day they won’t be mad anymore.
If they manage to balance the factions, I don’t see why not.
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Yeah it’s not.
Sylvanas’s concern about the Supreme Swede is to get the Forsaken but probably just her an infinite life cheat code.
Her anguish and rage at the lamp getting smashed seems pretty damn genuine to me.
And don’t give me that 4D chess crap. I’ve seen how Blizz writes characters who are schemeing. Suffice to say I wasn’t exactly shocked when Varimathras, Putress, Lord Godfrey or Zul betrayed us.
Because they were all but announcing it by being cryptic weirdos who exclusively whispered.
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I’m mostly speaking on reconciling post-Legion with pre-Legion Sylvanas, specifically Alex insinuating the Wrathgate went down how she intended. Now, we’ve got Danuser saying Sylvanas abandoning the Broken Shore and Vol’jin dying was deliberate, because she needed to ascend to Warchief to honor her alliance with Zovaal achieve goals relevant to her and Zovaal’s designs. Then Golden releases a book saying Sylvanas didn’t join up until after the sword pierced the planet. This means that we at least know that as of 2019 Blizzcon, they didn’t know where the story was going.
Primus being the actual BBEG would make SL way more plausible. At least, it would make way more sense than an imprisoned guy called The Jailer covered in runes of Domination mastering Domination because he stared at his prison floor for a really long time.
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I mean. I’m actually reasonably confident I could write it.
There’s a pretty good theme there about both of them being former humans who are now predatory night creatures.
Plus the Worgen can pretend to be human but the Forsaken can’t. So you could have a bit of mutual envy there.
I don’t think many Forsaken would want to live in Stormwind or Dalaran. But some outliers might, and quite a bit more might like to visit and not get stares. Just being considered an outsider and inherently dangerous, inherently monstrous, anywhere outside the Horde would probably get to a lot of them. To them the Worgen have a freedom they’ll never know.
On the flipside perhaps so many Worgen feel caged in the Alliance cities. They can pretend to be human but they’re not. Yet they constantly have to be. This mask of civility is a muzzle. They want to howl, they want to hunt, they want to kill. The Forsaken never have to hide their true selves, their dark appetites, their unnatural rage. They have a freedom they’ll never know.
Not exactly pulitzer worthy but it’s a start.
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Most Worgen lived with the Night Elves and I don’t think Night Elves have any problems with letting people be intune to their more animal side.
I just think Alliance and Horde races are too fundamentally different and to much bloody history to ever truly get along. And the only way to accomplish it is to just destroy the Alliance and its individual races even further than it already is.
Maybe the refugees that ended up in SW might end up feeling stifled in SW since the Horde burned their house down again.
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That was always sus. Yes… that was clearly what got her there, and the Valkyr clearly set that up, but we have been debating the details of her deal with Helya since it happened. There was even question wether the whole soul cage thing with Eyir was Helya’s end of the bargain for Sylvanas, or Sylvanas’ end of the bargain for Helya.
Super genuine, but I dont think she reacted all that anguished. She was angry, but shes always angry. Im not trying to argue that Sylvanas was misleading us in Legion. Im trying to argue that Sylvanas, though always evil and undead and unethical, was probably originally written as actually good in BfA, not to be revealed until SL.
Which is what Sylvanas did all through BfA.
Which they said in the lore q&a, which is code for “We had a plan but abandoned it, and we are hastily rewriting everything”
They didn’t tho.
Garrosh sent an assassin to kill him, and Vol’jin never shot out his black heart.
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They don’t let you dip into the true ferocity of a forbidden dark Druid form, far as I can tell.
Worgen aren’t natural. The Nelves had to turn up to give them chillpill moon juice. I say scew that. Let them be monsters. Let them rip and tear and feast.
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Yeah, the possibility that Ardenweald was going to reveal that the Worgen curse was a Thros corruption, and the Night Warrior was not from Elune, but another Thros deception… idk, that just sounds so much more interesting to me than what we got.
You say that, and yet there was no contrition in the invitation to the Gathering. It was just “Hey, would you like to get together with your undead relatives?”
That doesn’t sound like a storyline that would satisfy anyone who actually wanted to play the Forsaken as they were originally sold.
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Yeah I thought it would’ve been way more interesting that if nothing else Worgen were some form of unseelie fae.
Think like how Revendreth has a Light scorched area. What if Ardenweald had a forest of eternal night caused by the Thros or whomever and that’s where that curse comes from.
The rumor was that there was meant to be a thros raid or dungeon. In it, Tyrande goes nuts and we have to fight her, and the Thros story reveals the aforementioned Thros manipulation of Night Elf religion.
Bellular speculated that Korthia was the unfinished Thros zone, and Tazavesh was actually Korthia. Makes sense, as theres no city in the city of secrets.
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Honestly IDK what would’ve been better.
The ridiculous thing is this was I think supposed to be a Nelf apology fruit basket and instead came off as just really, really weird.
You do for sure rescue some Teldrassil souls at least but honestly I feel like that’s more impactful for the Horde. Otherwise we just learn Elune is shockingly laissez faire about the souls of her alleged favorite children.
Seriously I really think just fixing up Teldrassil and Tirisfal and changing as little as possible outside a new coat of paint would be the best possible outcome at time of writing.
Just undo that embarrassment then let’s have some dragon tales that hopefully don’t involve indirect participation of a genocide or the pardoning of it’s perpetrator.
That dragon flying stuff better be whimsical.
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Im just not optimistic. I always felt that the devs were right, that the factions were the foundation of the franchise. Everything we are being shown about this expansion is completely disconnected from that foundation. It just looks like more of the current devs exploiting a customer base of an old franchise to sell their new game.
I don’t mean the two literally squared off, dude, I mean the story took the time to show us they were at odds, so when it came time for Vol’jin’s rebellion it was believable. Garrosh had a huge loyalty base from his Northrend campaign, a lot of destructive goblin tech, and the recently recruited Dragonmaw at his back, so building a rebellion made sense. It was earned.
Sylvanas was not popular and pretty much only had the Forsaken at her back (which weren’t a lot). Her climbing to Warchief was solely out of respect for Vol’jin’s dying wish. She didn’t lead us to great victories during Legion, she just sailed off with the Forsaken to Stormheim and then disappeared on some super secret mission involving Helya, who was our enemy. Which is why I continue to point out that everyone on the Horde had to collectively turn their brains off or suddenly become simpering cowards in order for BFA to unfold the way it did. Saurfang didn’t need to secretly build a coalition, he just needed to turn around and go “belay that” and take a swing. Yeah, he woulda died, but he already wanted to die. But that’s Sylvanas gone and Teldrassil still standing.
Oh, yeah. I agree.
That was seeded even during Cataclysm.
Agreedo.
Eh, I’m not convinced. She didn’t become an unliving god until she sacrificed Teldrassil.
Ardenweald dropped the ball for me by not going ham on the unseelie angle. I was hoping (but if I’m being honest, not truly expecting it) for Shadow of the Demon Lord style fey, but alas.
She was holding her own with Malfurion, though, who somehow outclassed Saurfang with fist weapons in his night elf form lol. Our PCs on the other hand? Canonically we’re overpowered Godbreakers with so many artifacts we need Ethereals to give us a place to store some of our spare artifacts. She dead. But I guess I was AFK running into a tree behind her or something, I dunno. Someone should’ve offered me 78 copper and their grandmother’s shawl as a reward and I would’ve purged the shore of 15/15 Forsaken and Eliminate Nathanos and Sylvanas.
Edit: Just to beat this drum again, deciding to kill NIGHT ELVES of all things to fuel the Maw is the dumbest idea ever. They aren’t even supposed to go to the Shadowlands when they die. Sylvanas’ plan hinged on Elune deciding to withdraw her blessing. She could’ve just went up and down the coast massacring murlocs and makrura and got what she needed, but instead opts to try to overmurder the one group on the planet that shouldn’t even work that way.
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