That was all part of Sylvanas’ plan, too. It played out pretty much exactly how she imagined it would from her monologuing in A Good War. She never even intended for the blight trap to end the war, either, given she wanted to prolong it as long as possible.
You keep saying that as if Undercity and Teldrassil are not gameplay accessible. Hell, to even do most of the Hallow’s End content Horde side you have to make Undercity accessible again.
To add to what others have said, the three Demon Hunters training new Blood Elven recruits at the Black Temple in BC were Night Elves: Theras, Netharel, and Alandien.
Loramus also originally appeared in Vanilla Azshara, iirc.
That shows how much I know.
I still would have preferred a Warden over a DH.
I mean the stated goal was to stop them from raising the two night elves, and they succeeded at raising both of them. So sure, she technically didn’t lose the fight. But I wouldn’t exactly say the enemy achieving every single one of it’s goals and getting away completely much of a win or victory either.
Did they leave her in Stormwind?
Just maybe they shouldn’t have made her the Night Warrior at all. If there is one character in wow I can’t take seriously its Tyrande. She has always just comes across as a glorified moonwell inspector surrounded by sycophants.
In any case to turn her into the night warrior and set her up for failure was a narrative blunder. It would have made much more sense from a narrative perspective for her to take on the night warrior after the failure to save the undead elves from the wicked witch, and be a more appropriate set up for a night elf victory in darkshore.
Problem is, for faction parody, it would mean you have to share it with the Horde. I don’t want Shadow Hunters to be a class for the same reason.
Doesn’t really work. Spell breakers aren’t anything like Wardens thematically or skill set wise. Plus do we really want to keep leaning heavily on the undead NE Horde thing? Do you really want to continue to dilute a NE racial feature by sharing it with the Horde? From the Horde’s perspective I have very little interest in seeing the Horde get more Alliance themes tacked on to it instead of developing its own self identity.
I have said it before but I think it would have been way better if the NEs got to flex and kick some butt without having to resort to a McGuffin. The Night Warrior thing is such a cheap and lame power up. Even the name is lazy. Instead of making her show cunning or skill or power on her own they give her a crappy, edgy magic girl power up complete with outfit transformation. Go Sailor Elune!
If blizzard wants to play around with edgy and forbidden, at least have reasonable reasons why they are edgy and forbidden. At least with Death Knights and Demon Hunters there were serious drawbacks. Death Knights (unless they have changed it) are effectively addicted to causing suffering. Demon Hunters have to constantly wrestle to maintain their sanity. Void Elves have made the Void a joke of a threat as we are yet to see one really show themselves fail to control it and the whole Night Warrior thing is ‘oh she will end up dying eventually for having a huge power up’. Seriously? That’s it? That is a pretty cheap cost for apparently a massive amount of power. Why the hell is it forbidden? Imagine if the NEs had used that against the Legion? One person dies for how many lives saved beating back the Demonic hordes? Didn’t look particularly hard to invoke either since all it took was throwing an orc head into a moonwell.
Its just reeks of typical “tell, not show” exposition typical of Blizzard storytelling.
This is why I think Blizzard will never be able to “fix” the Night Warrior situation. They bungled its introduction so hard, and not everyone is going to do the questlines where they “tell” you how awesome and powerful it is, the Jailors empowerment was, or how much more powerful Tyrande is due to it.
The Night Warrior persona was dead on arrival. The only way Blizzard is going to be able to fix this misguided belief that its an ineffective buff or has any real consequence is if the Night Warrior gets some vulgar display of power in a cinematic spotlight. But alas, Blizzard seems adverse to giving anyone who isn’t Jaina, Sylvanas, Anduin, or some sad orcs any real spotlight.
We don’t really know. The scene ends with Tyrande leaving the cell, but Maiev and Shandris staying behind to talk more with Sira after defending her.
Sorry, but you’ll never find me defending the all time low point in the history of wow writing. As a supposed “revenge for Teldrassil”, it was really really insufficient and although you have a sort of explanation for Nathanos becoming stronger now, it still shouldn’t be that 2 Val’kyr can match the Night Warrior in strength, and especially not in a patch that was stated to be a “Night Elf victory” by Blizzard and the “revenge for Teldrassil”.
Then you also have the undead Night Elves that immediately join the Horde which was just…unbelievably stupid. This patch felt more as an excuse to introduce undead night elves to the Horde to me than an actual revenge patch, it’s a shame that nothing more ever came out of Teldrassil.
That doesn’t change the fact that players who claimed that Anduin ignored what happened to Teldrassil are flat out wrong. He did march on Lordaeron as a direct answer to what was done to the Night Elves. The fact that It. didn’t have the desired outcome is irrelevant.
Anduin’s pledge was to recover Teldrassil, not to march on Lordaeron. That Anduin went after Sylvanas is irrelevant to what he promised the Night Elves. Anduin did not keep his word. At least Genn did.
Really if they had give us the nightwarrior scenario with Tyrande and Nathanos fighting in a properly rendered cutscene showing how powerful she was, Showing how nathanos was being powered up and Showing her knocking him around that would have really up the ante of the Nightwarrior.
nope instead we get sadfang 4 times being sad. They only ever show horde characters being badass if cg scenes. The closest the Alliance got was anduin knocking one noname grunt into the ground.
I mean we had Malfuion who is known as they strongest mortal on Azeroth and Tyrande Empowered by a God who is atleast on the same level as the Jailer and they can’t take down a hunter trainer from the undercity who has slightly more juice than a standard undead.
Yes he did. He sent his most precious resource. The Champion. i.e. YOU. As far as his promise to recover Teldrassil, Sylvannas made it impossible.
I am not Anduin’s resource though. That’s just game mechanics.
Also Anduin doesn’t “send the player” until Tyrande and Genn tell him to screw off and go do it themselves, at which point he has no choice.
Sending 1 champion is not resources, nor is it a comparable alternative to an army. That fool wasted too many valuable soilders on reclaiming Arathi when Darkshore has far more value to not only the Night Elves but the Alliance as a whole.
Could he have not used gold to bring together the members of Syndicate or Ravenholt to help fight the horde in the Highlands?
Technically speaking, you the Champion are more valuable than an entire army. The amount of absolutely stupid things your character can do is mad.
Not only that, outside of the initial push by the kaldorei they where getting the usual Alliance support, as shown by th fact that I hey had ships and what not in Bolarus.
Also, as I’ve stated before, Anduin sending the player is up in the air and can be headcanon depending on the race. I asume Humans are sent by Anduin because he is their king after all. But what about Night Elf players? What Anduis says is irrelevant. We were summoned by Tyrande first to try help Maiev and Shandris in asking Anduin for help. Same can be said for Gildean humans. They answer to Genn not Anduin. So as far as I’m concered Anduin can stick his “pledge for help” where it best suits him. I’m not entirely mad because he did shelter us in Stormwind but I still believe he took the Burning to reclaim more lands for humans instead of actually helping Night Elves relcaim theirs.
Edit: LoL… for some reason I can only post with this Alt from Classic XD… Not sure if anyone out there knows me but I’m Nightlighter your typical Night Elf Defender XD
What a great Poster! I totally support this! 
I guess I’ll give you that. It also highlights my problem with the “champion” thing. I’d much rather be another adventurer. And what if that champion was a Kaldorei, like my character? In that case Anduin sends absolutely nothing!
The Kaldorei got no Alliance support in Darkshore other than Gilneas. But at the same time they had troops in both Zandalar and Boralus.