Demon Hunters were a Night Elf unit in Warcraft III:
http://classic.battle.net/war3/nightelf/units/demonhunter.shtml
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To be fair. I will take Warden over Demon Hunter any day of the week.
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I mean, yeah. In retrospect it seems pretty clear that both Nate and Sylvie’s remaining Primes are benefiting from her deal with the Jailor. Which would explain why they were powerful enough to not die immediately against Super Tyrande and Malf. I also seem to recall them actually using chains very reflective to those we’ve seen from other Jailor operatives on Tyrande; including Sylvanas with Bolvar. Which would mean that to date Tyrande is the only character to have had enough power to break free of something even the Lich King couldn’t.
Twice, if her still retained freedom at the beginning of SLs is any indication.
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I was wondering about that because they are in reforged so I wasn’t sure. Then that only makes me even more irritated with the WotA trilogy. Did they just forget to include there were other hunters? I assume they would have been turned prior to Illidan’s imprisonment.
This is the big crux of the issue with people’s memory of Darkshore. Way too many people still believe that build one of 8.1 was the Darkshore we got in canon. Which, to their credit, was absolutely terrible, but Blizzard fixed that.
Is it still a bit silly that they use game mechanics to fly off on bats? Sure. But Tyrande absolutely did not lose by any margin at Darkshore. She mopped the floor with Nathanos on his own, and when the val’kyr tried to tie her down, she instantly breaks out of it and mops the floor with him again, then kills one of the val’kyr.
If I had to do any kind of change, I’d have just worked some way in so that Nathanos had a teleport to get them out. Maybe use that to hint at Sylvanas’ apparent Jailer powers, use the same thing he uses in Shadows Rising.
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His name was Atrius the Blind (or something close to that) he gives you a series of quests in Nagrand to take out some nearby Legion camps.
He’s also one of your two choices for your second in command in the Demon Hunter Order Hall campaign. He’s the guy you pick if your character doesn’t trust Illidan and tries to go the “virtue” route.
Arguably it’s a wash. Sylvannas loses a Val’kyr, but Nathanos gets away with two (well not shiny) Dark Ranger recruits for the Banshee Queen. That encounter starts the Darkshore Warfront, it’s not settled until later events.
I mean, so? As far as I can tell the reason she started reviving them was the same reason she riddled the captured NE territories with exclusively the most Amoral Horde races; the Bilgewater and Forsaken. She wanted to trigger the NEs into opening up another front to ramp up the death toll. Every single Horde member in that zone save Nate and her Primes were probably considered expendable; there were just they to be a lightningrod for angst and turn that zone into yet another dual-faction meatgrinder.
Huh … he may be a dick but I wonder how Belmont will take that reality?
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Well that makes sense then. I hated BC so much back then that I avoided Nagrand all together.
That’s a shame it was my favorite area to fly in Outland. We held some interesting events on the floating islands there.
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I started wow in 07 and didn’t know the lore. So when I was forced to leave the forests I felt a total disconnect with the game. It took me so long to level in that expansion that I didn’t hit max until the day Wrath came out.
I need to go back and play through Outland now that I know the back story.
I’ve discussed this in a post several months back.
Really, “they burned down your people” was answered with “you killed one of Sylvanas’ seven valkyr”. Those are not equivalent. At all. It didn’t matter how little Tyrande struggled to not-kill Nathanos. If she had accomplished the same feat (or lack thereof) with even less effort, it wouldn’t have mattered.
The end result matters more than the ease to get there. Without a Nathanos kill, it was always going to be unsatisfactory.
EDIT: I could be wrong, but the only context we have for “how strong is a val’kyr” is basically… A few world NPCs, Hyrja, and (more specifically) Svala Sorrowgrave. Some world NPCs, and two expansion-launch dungeon bosses, neither that powerful. Yeah, “defeating one val’kyr” was never going to feel like we were powerful, because the val’kyr have never been shown to be powerful. Their “power” is in resurrection, not combat.
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It was answered by Anduin leading the attack on Lordaeron and resulted in the destruction of much of the Tirisfal Glades, the town of Brill and the rendering of the Undercity to a death zone for living and undead alike.
Whoop-dee-freakin’-doo.
It lead to Anduin leading an attack on Lordaeron, nearly getting his butt handed to him if it weren’t for Jaina-ex-machina, and then nearly dying in Sylvanas’ trap anyways. The Alliance didn’t destroy Undercity or Brill, Sylvanas did.
I don’t care about Anduin.
I don’t care about Undercity.
It wasn’t even an Alliance victory.
At this point, I don’t care about the Alliance anyways, so even if it was, it wouldn’t have mattered.
We lost Teldrassil and have nothing to show for it, except one val’kyr, a warfront won in a Dev Q&A, and one low-effort cutscene that they nearly forgot to put in. So, even if we had taken Undercity, it wouldn’t have mattered unless the kaldorei moved in and made it into their new home. Which, in retrospect, sounds horrible anyways.
I hope to God Shadowlands actually tries.
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You expected him or anyone else to end things right then and there? This was the beginning of the Expac, not the time for things to be resolved.
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Ah yes. Because clearly if the Alliance occupied Lordaeron, the war would have ended right there. There definitely would not have been plot threads to resolve going forward.
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You also have to keep in mind that it was Blizzard’s intention to close down both areas as player capitals.
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Wonderful.
We still didn’t get any narrative satisfaction in it. Or in the two years and three patches (five if you count the 8.x.5 patches) that followed.
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we clearly needed another night elf thread…
/eyeroll.
jesus christ
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I agree with this sentiment, but man if I’m not a sucker for them.