Revert PVP system changes back to Vanilla's

[Zejung-wildhammer]

Now that we see the PVP system is out i was proven right once again.

Ez honor system (lol 500K honor for br 1??) and it not being tied to other players of your own faction made AFK-AV the new meta. I was saying weeks and months prior to this change that this would happen.
The only ppl complaining about the honor system are casual players/afkers/botters themselves who was upset they couldnt solo queue to r14.

Soon PVE content will start suffering cuz afk to set pieces on par to t2.5 is going to bring the demand for these raids way down. The only reason ppl will run anything below AQ is to get pieces like trinket. Get ready for even more GDKPs cuz the only reason anyone will run BWL will be for trinkets and rings

As much as ppl hate the old vanilla system, it fit classic. To get rank 14, u had to socialize and get to kno the ppl on ur faction to prevent bracket breaking and u had to work together with your faction to decide who’s getting r14. this incentiized grouping up and premading.

now all pvp is in classic is just base races to kill npcs lol

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Zejung-wildhammer

Ez honor system (lol 500K honor for br 1??) and it not being tied to other players of your own faction made AFK-AV the new meta.

I’m not usually the type to say I told you so but… we both call it, and we got attacked by the trolls and jerks along the way, some of whom were reading the PVP threads and commenting on them while only waiting for hardcore where there is no PVP, so they were just being jerks for the sake of being jerks.

There are also people who have gone on in the last week saying how happy they are not to really play AV, but to watch movies while playing AV, in other words, they don’t even like the game and they really just want to watch movies but they play the game anyway for some totally unknown reason.

What can you do really?

[Zejung-wildhammer]

lmao theres literally topics predicting this would happen too.

what did we learn from SoM?

Brawl With The Blues - July 14

You gotta remember that blizzard tends to screw up the game whenever they make big changes. They’re likely going to make ranking easier, trivializing anything pre Aq40 since the pvp gear is equivalent to that. They tried to making ranking easier in SoM, and all everyone did was AFK AV instead of actually going through lvl 60 dungeons, tier 0, tier 1, most tier 2 etc. Classic era is a finished game; leave it that way. save all the “good ideas” for a different version of classic. since blizz is …

AV Changes Needed for New PVP System

The new PVP system will be worse than SoM, with the sides rushing in AV 24/7. Not only is that not PVP, it will promote even more afkers, botting and RMT. The bosses should be boosted in power to essentially require at least 2-3 towers down. honor and rep from objectives should be slightly nerfed to encourage players to ALSO do WSG and AB, the two BGs where it is easier to identify bots/afkers. Any other ideas?

#revertpatch

[Realbarth-whitemane]

Still think all the honor from AV should be in the objectives and turn ins.

[Starsharded-whitemane]

@Zejung-wildhammer

now all pvp is in classic is just base races to kill npcs lol

I mean sure if you’re a pve andy. I pvp in every single AV, even get a few rage whispers!

[Ruenann-remulos]

I’m not opposed so much to the old system, since I am a self-reported casual pvper, but I will just say I am happy AV’s are popping, I love the BG. I hope there is a work around found so people don’t feel obligated to queue AV for honour, and will do the more team orientated game modes, but that AV still happens more than once a month.

[Sanwarro-ragnaros]

goodbye mafia

[Mootwo-earthfury]

Oh look directly above is one of the lowlife forum trolls who has never added anything of value to the forums, the game, or probably anywhere:

@Mootwo-earthfury

some of whom were reading the PVP threads and commenting on them while only waiting for hardcore where there is no PVP, so they were just being jerks for the sake of being jerks.

Anyway as for the other two comments if you both like AV as it is, that’s fine.

However what about the next step, what will happen if people stop queuing and 500k becomes too hard to get?

[Lazmanx-whitemane]

Bracket stacking isn’t mafia behavior

Devilsaur mafia was mafia behavior

Know the meaning of mafia

[Härland-grobbulus]

@Zejung-wildhammer

now all pvp is in classic is just base races to kill npcs lol

We literally do this in Raid too… and then go PVP.

[Ruenann-remulos]

A flat number for a static MMO that can have fluctuating popularity is not a good approach, I think. The old system allowed the requirement to be dynamic, and the new system ~could work, if paid attention to. Is blizzard willing to put attention to era pvp markers for ranking? I’m not hopeful. We still can’t use BG portals to queue BG’s.

As far as AFK’s and botters, yes that is an issue in AV, and I wish we had better tools in game for it. The report afk feels like it does nothing unless you can organise people to all do it. Some of my guildies who ranked in 2019 say over time if someone is consistently reported afk they will get actioned, but meanwhile doing 3 weeks of casual PVP i run into the same people sitting in the cave or on the mountains feels awful. I know AV isn’t a competitive BG, but I want my time to be a little respected. Not equally rewarding a 3 week long afker.

[Sanwarro-ragnaros]

your r14 doesn’t work in open world? lol

[Lazmanx-whitemane]

Wut?

That’s not even coherent.

You don’t know how an actual mafia works.

Did you know a “bracket mafia” simply cannot stop a player who has the capability to play for every waking second he is awake if he wishes?

A mafia wouldn’t be able to stop this guy.

A bracket mafia is a made up nuance that spawns from people’s imagination when they don’t understand how the brackets and RP calculations work. So like, you for example.

Sure, there are nuclear people who bomb brackets etc, but more often than not, they actually end up playing for many HOURS per week longer than they had to in the first place, and made no extra gain from it because of his placement and RP requirement to his next rank or goal.

You ever seen those guys at r13 99%, 93%, 96% etc?

They didn’t understand the formula and could have been done a week earlier or even taken a day or two off in the past weeks leading up to present day.

People who don’t understand the brackets are the same way. So when a rank 9 tries to get standing 1 over everyone else on the server, he suddenly becomes egregious over the fact that people who need that st1 or br1 RP have decided they need to play ALOT more to save their rank. Because little mr random r9 thinks st1 is something he’s just gonna walk up on when there are players also going for the same standing

So, tldr:

-Rank 9 random guy decides he wants st1

• a bunch of people who also need st1, or st2-10, decide they’re gonna throw up another 300-400k honor so they get the standing instead of the r9
  -rando rank 9 guy takes offense to this and calls this “mafia behavior

It isn’t mafia behavior. It’s a bunch of people who are r12 who are going to finish before you at r9 and they’re gonna make sure of it

Lol

It’s incredibly wild to me that forcing a reaction from individuals higher up in the brackets who need max RP suddenly decide to farm a ton more honor since you’re encroaching on the RP field they need.

Coping would be calling this a mafia

The truth would be calling it “these players now grouped together to farm 300k more honor to go from r12-13 or r13-14”

[Kalamari-thunderfury]

Nerf AV honor

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Ruenann-remulos

Is blizzard willing to put attention to era pvp markers for ranking? I’m not hopeful. We still can’t use BG portals to queue BG’s.

Blizzard should regulate it but I don’t trust them to do so.

@Ruenann-remulos

Some of my guildies who ranked in 2019 say over time if someone is consistently reported afk they will get actioned

There are “action waves”. I had guildies (heavily PVE-focused mind you) who were bragging in our guild Discord about AFKing BGs because “it was the meta”. Yes, those were the words. Now I usually don’t make waves in the guild especially because I like these people in other ways but I told them it was a bad idea because of possible suspensions. Two weeks later some of these guys got their 14-day suspensions and they were VERY angry. Well, I told them so. True story.

On a side note, I wanted to say that you seem like a nice chill person. I have no problems with you at all. I do get passionate about things and post in that way, but even if I post snark it’s meant to be directed at the people who are dishing that same energy out.

I’ve got no problems with you at all and I’m glad you’re having fun in Era and that you can play AV.

[Ruenann-remulos]

I do understand when PvP is an endgame that the competitive BG’s being shunned can be really frustrating, so I don’t take that frustration personally, just try to offer perspective as the flip side of PvP. The end game pvp and the entry level pvp are the same instance groups, so its good to have both experiences to read over and consider.

Good to know that their afking will catch up to them. Not that I want people suspended for the sake of it, but its a lot of games to negatively affect.

[Härland-grobbulus]

@Kalamari-thunderfury

Nerf AV honor

I think what they should do is come up with a way to even out the honor, OR make honor a component of a well fought battle some how…

Example, if a game is a total blow out neither side gets jack squat making their point of Q’n pointless if they’re quitters or just pug stomping.

[Brawnosaurus-angerforge]

1. Nerf/eliminate Lieutenant honor.
2. Buff tower destruction honor
3. Buff game end honor for opposing towers destroyed and own towers saved
4. Honor bonus if your Galv/Bal is alive at the end.
5. Buff boss and warmaster health.
6. Big honor fot summoning Lok/Ivus and wolf/ram riders.
7. Guard upgrades award honor
8. If an enemy team doesn’t kill a LT., the bonus honor goes to the defending team.

[Lazmanx-whitemane]

I’d be down for this

[Brawnosaurus-angerforge]

I think AV should take 45-60 minutes but awards a ton of honor, about the same as doing AB for an hour.

45-60 is totally reasonable since a 3-2 AB can take about 35-40 and WSG can take over an hour.