There should for sure be incentive to actually do the turn in objectives and not just rush to boss
All they need to do is turn the AV honor down a touch.
Thatâs it.
System is excellent in every way especially when inevitably era dies in 5 months
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If youâre doing 35 minute ABs youâre bad.
6 mins and done.
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Lol this is a new meta for you?
With a few exceptions based on time periods, AV was not the meta for people who actually PVPed, especially with a group.
If you were a solo person who hates everyone else in the game, hates PVP yet does it because you play for gear not fun, and likes to repeatedly AFK on noob hill or in towers then sure, that would have been the meta for you. This would have meant sitting in AV for 18 hours a day, 6 days a week while the other people got their cap in 1/3rd of the time all while playing with others and having fun.
For real most of the people who say the AFK in AV to R14 thing was super common have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. They do very much enjoy making stuff up or parroting other incorrect stereotypes with zero thinking on their part involved.
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Playing and having fun? Iâm sorry this is classic wow we donât do either of those things around these parts
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Sadly youâre not wrong. 
IMO things in video games should ultimately be about fun. That opinion doesnât seem to be too shared. If the meta is fun for you, awesome! If not then what are you doing?
Fax. Nothing but copers and cappers telling stories.
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That is annoyingly factualâŚ
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We still mad about AV?
Shout out to all the gigachad alliance hunters on defense that frost trap the bridge, Iâll always heal you guys!
Oh and rogues distracting mounted horde off the bridge to their deaths. Actually makes me lol irl, thanks.
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The mafia is mad they have no control. What a surprise.
No more deciding who gets R14 in your cheeto infested discords. 
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Things will probably change when the meta shifts like it tends to but sure change ideas for AV are still part of this and other threads. This forum is mostly dead otherwise. Go look.
Thatâs awesome that you had fun.
I was thinking about doing this ranking where âAV weekendâ would be my last week to 11 for the cheap mount on the non-populated server. I only need 65k more for my âcapâ but other stuff kept coming up today that I did instead of putting it off as I would have if playing AV was more fun. Shopping, from scratch cooking, taking the dog on a nice big walk. Writing needlessly long forum posts and then watching random YouTube stuff. Mostly things that were more productive and fun than chaining AV games in Era so a much better use of time anyway.
So yeah I might be done or might still go tomorrow/in the future. Not 100% sure yet.
If people are actively enjoying themselves Iâm happy for them.
Oh and if Frosstfire thinks something is good then you know thereâs a problem. Absolutely nothing that guy has said has been a good idea for the health of the game. Thatâs why heâs called a troll poster.
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the system is great qq. just play wsg or ab av has always been the meta
Yup!
There are a lot of ways to get to that point. Changes should also be made to AB and WSG also in this respect⌠For example in WSG if you return a flag your team gets so many honor points for that, similar to when you capture the flag. Perhaps even a in combat time ticker for a time during a turtle that awards greater honor per kill when in range of the enemy base and their EFC.
Most importantly the changes must influence team play and map objectives, Long games with lots of action should be more valuable (same honor per hour-ish) like within 10-15% as a blowout game, same with AVâŚ
The goal is to make it just fine to run a full premade and blow out the other team, but the gains from playing that way still exist, but are far less valuable than they presently are.
This way it more comes down to what BG format a player enjoys doing rather than âplay the metaâ
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Instead of making all these dumb changes to re-balance the meta back to WSG/AB from afk AV, the simplest and easiest way is to return to old honor system.
if yall start thinking of some dumb ideas to rebalance it, itâll break the game in other ways u wouldnt have thought of and cause even more issues
simple solution is to just revert the patch, at least we know the prev honor system worked
EDIT: also, inb4r sum1 says âpvp is more active this patchâ thats only cuz blizz already announced months before they were doing the rank reset for this bad system. so pvp participation was suppressed cuz every1 knew a reset was coming
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Wow its almost as if players can ruin anything and everything they get their hands on - what are the chances changing the system again is going to make players evolve into normal human beings? Lets see hereâŚ
0%.
Obviously whatever system in place isnât the problem and the reason why the system was changed in the first place is proof positive that more changes of that nature arent going to accomplish anything.
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am I missing something here. Was the meta before this ranking change not also afking AV? lol
Pretty sure it was so whatâs the difference? I guess you donât need to spend 60 hours a week to get 1 mil honor for a top spot, which is⌠a⌠bad thing? for some reason?
Not really no. Thatâs a rumor people made up.
There are a few exceptions that I could write a few paragraphs about but usually when people say this stuff they arenât actually paying attention to history. Also, that tends to be said to belittle others and look down on them. This is honestly gross, as the normal human response is simply to be happy for other people instead of showing pointless jealousy.
500k can take 60+ hours too in AV. FYI. There was someone here today bragging about getting 10k an hour on a good hour and that would be 50 hours (and you KNOW that not all hours are âgoodâ)
When I ranked my lock in the covid summer of 2020 600k was the BR1 cap and I played with awesome people. We ran AB and WSG Tuesday - Friday after work and we were done until the next Tuesday. It was a lot of fun or I wouldnât have done it.
Not really no. Thatâs a rumor people made up.
In initial classic release AV was the meta, until they gutted the pre-made methods. By the end of classic (at least for my server) it had reverted back to just hammering AV, mostly because they were solo players I guess and couldnât motivate others to pre-made with them often enough. I would run a WSG premade at that time but honestly while working I still couldnt keep up with the few guys trying to push a top spot via AV (surely they did not work lmao).
and then for SoM, there was only a week or two of WSG pre-mading before everyone hopped over to the AV discords and never looked back.
Idk, I havenât played Era but from my experience thus far⌠AV always finds its way into the Meta
Yeah I mean youâre right with what youâre saying. I was paying attention just like you throughout Classic.
SoM was a mess. I donât know what happened after January '22 to be fair because I quit.
So point taken if thatâs what you were getting at.
Some people say stuff like âOh everyone just got R14 AFKing in AV but I am great at arenas so I am far superiorâ⌠yeah that I find really gross and it says a lot about the person saying it. Usually that gets said out of nowhere. Itâs nothing more than a condescending way to put others down, instead of being a nice, quality person. Also, it just reads as jealousy which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.