Gavel was completely absurd. An LFR gavel was better for my DK than a mythic raid ilvl 2hander from the M+ box.
Yea I did and I maintain that stance. That’s why I said agree to disagree.
Good thing we made another busted 2H strength weapon the very next expansion, but we won’t even let bears get in on the fun this time!
Let’s not forget that there’s a busted hunter bow every expansion.
verb
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require (something) because it is essential or very important.
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circumstances in which something is necessary, or that require some course of action; necessity.
Last I checked, losing a roll to a 489 isn’t going to end up with that player dead or in any kind of peril. So if we’re going by dictionary definitions, it’s a want for both parties, meaning it’s a fair roll. I wouldn’t have done this if you hadn’t brought up dictionary definitions specifically, so I guess you played yourself.
what you suggested is unfair. Anyone who help down the boss gets an equal and fair chance to roll on the gear they can need. Don’t like it. Don’t raid, Don’t do group content go play Hello Kitty adventure island.
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Yeah but this season notwithstanding, most hunters can’t really keep up with me on my feral even when by tuning they should wipe the floor with me. Watching a warrior literally roll their face across the keyboard with a Gavel and doing triple my damage was demoralizing…
And here I am on balance this week watching most trash packs die to double melee before I finish applying dots.
Time to switch to Destro?
Nah, it’s much better on fortified or when I’m doing push keys instead of vault keys.
Fair enough, Destro was just my go-to.
The most fun was when the tank would pull multiple rooms at once on affliction in low tyrannical keys.
For keys like this, destro is decent, but only if you take cataclysm instead of inferno.
Why does your ilvl give you priority over someone who also helped kill the boss?
It sounds like you want a loot council, so you’re better off finding a guild.
I’ve got 6 toons that aren’t getting higher than LFR this expansion and I think it’s absolutely fair. They helped kill the boss and they’re eligible under the current rules, if they win, congratulations.
More fun than Demo in mists? 
if you had that restriction lfr would be dead within 2 resets and youd be spending hours in their wiping because alot of the time you only down bosses because the geared people carry the newbs/people who refuse to do mechanics or actually play their role through the content
You lost a roll in LFR. Get over it.
In personal Loot the person who had the 480i gear still would have got the item you lost the roll to. And more than likely you would have still gotten nothing, because you lost the rolls.
You have a real short memory, because with personal loot, A group of friends with chars of a specific armor type, could join with a friend, and increase their odds of getting that armor type to drop, and increase their ability to funnel loot to a char.
Both systems have flaws. Group loot is better. You just have to get over losing a roll and being able to see who the person you lost to is.
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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: what they need to do is return LFR loot to the Warlords style.
Bullet points from an old interview summarizing what they should bring back:
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LFR lets everyone experience raid content and for WoD, they want to focus on how LFR lets you see all of an expansion’s story. In Mists, LFR was set up as part of a long-term endgame, where loot was paced accordingly and drawn out. This led to lots of frustration and slow gearing.
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Loot in LFR will now feel more rewarding since you can get it faster. If you’re raiding something like Heroic with an organized group, if you gear up slowly at least you have the satisfaction of seeing your friends get loot and your overall raid improve. LFR doesn’t have that, so the loot process is sped up.
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Since LFR will have improved droprates now, the gear had to be changed so it didn’t feel like a mandatory thing for progression raiders to run. Progression raiders tend to run LFR for set bonuses and transformative trinkets, so those sorts of items were removed from LFR loot tables.
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and watch participation drop to nothing, and/or lfr being full of blue geared scrub alts (certainly I would stop bringing my main and then not even pass on stuff I already have since now I have 2 toons I can gear)
vanilla didn’t have transmog or collection systems
This isn’t always true. If the player has a heroic signet brand and a normal/LFR signet brand drops, they can roll Need on it if it has a socket or a tertiary stat (ie. speed, leech, etc.)