That is the core intent. Loot ninjas will try any rationalization to gaslight you into thinking otherwise.
It’s their game. If they say it’s ok, it is. If they didn’t want it to happen, they’d have built the new GL that way.
From my readings, it’s more of “we can’t figure out anything better”. If something unethical or clearly wrong can’t be controlled, many governing entities will just pretend it’s ok.
I… sort of… agree with this. It’s obviously not important enough to warrant even a simple statement on this from a blue which would put the whole matter to rest instantly.
However, in general, I don’t think inaction on a topic equates with full acceptance.
In the absence of guidance, each person is left to their own devices, and it becomes another catalyst for community infighting, as we’re seeing now, and have been seeing for a long time.
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this is the same backlash that PL got when it was first made… just a different story for the people who want to complain about anything and everything because it doesn’t follow their ideals. its the main reason the dev’s don’t read the general forums outside select posts and even then they don’t read 90% of whats said.
I read a post not long ago where they say they do read almost all posts but don’t reply. I can understand not wanting to reply, everyone and their brother will expect a personal reply.
One thing I will say is that there were never enough protections from players already in raid from the leader surreptitiously changing the loot rules. There needed to be a pretty clear indication to all players it happened so players could decide if they wanted to stay.
To be clear, this should have been changed by adding such protections, not sacking ML. But I do think there were some valid gripes with ML within the mechanisms for selecting the loot rules.
Oh I’m completely in favor of making the transmog button useful for anyone who could use the appearance and attempting to tighten the need roll system. It’s just with so many different opinions and near total absence of clarity from Blizzard, I am not comfortable with one player’s definition being applied to everyone. I shouldn’t get to decide whether a paladin should get to roll need on an AGI polearm, so I don’t want someone else telling me I can’t roll on that polearm because it’s a 3 item level downgrade over what I’m wearing despite being an actual upgrade.
I don’t think it’s inaction though, they took very specific action in creating the system to work how it did and when they corrected the early issues of some of the restrictions not working right.
I won’t disagree with that. However it did state in giant yellow letters what the loot setting was.
I’m not in disagreement or opposition of this.
PL did enable some stealth ninja looting that GL patched.
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That’s not quite the case though.
We can’t always equate being allowed to, or having the ability to do something, with morally or ethically correct actions. God didn’t create humans invincible and allowed us the capacity to kill each other. That doesn’t make killing the morally or ethically correct action to take, however.
Before anyone chimes in with the “hOw aRE yOu eQUaTiNG loOt rOllS wItH mURDeR!? LoOOoOOoOL” this is called “an analogy” and is often used to compare two things that have something in common. I am NOT saying rolling Need on a Transmog is as bad as murder, or even really comparing them at all beyond that they are two actions.
So it’s true they did hone the rolls a bit, but made them more restrictive and striated them out into a few different levels (Main/Offspec). In order to resolve this issue, though, it’s going to take a lot more in terms of restrictions to “get it right” without unfairly locking some people out of what would actually be an upgrade. So I would say the complexity of the issue (and the fix) definitely has ramifications in terms what they would or would not implement. But, I do see what you are saying there, and they could have clarified it a bit more, at the least. I’m also certain they don’t want to have to step in every time someone rolls Need on a Transmog or whatnot, as they don’t have the support to police all of that.
I’m going to guess it came down to “how many people are going to complain about this” or more importantly “how many people are going to take up Customer Support’s time for these issues”. Because that’s what actually costs them money. If people were to leave because of the Need issue, we’d probably see more movement from Blizzard.
And there’s even larger orange text when Smolderon is casting World in Flames, but that cast seemed to be completely invisible to a handful of the folks in my last Smolderon PUG…
I mean you aren’t wrong. But at the same time people should not have to have their hand held and punish the people that don’t.
I’d much rather lose loot to someone out-rolling me than lose it to the guild leaders girlfriend who he scrambles to come up with some off-the-wall “reason” why she deserved it.
It kind of is on this topic.
When PL was forced upon everyone, one of the arguments used in favor that status quo was that everyone should have equal access to loot no matter what.
Now that it’s group loot, those same people are complaining when some people are exercising their equal access to the loot.
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If you don’t trust the loot council’s decisions, you’re free to look for a new guild, and no loot system does anything to change that reality.
With PL, it was possible for you to steal items that you agreed to loot council by joining that guild. With GL, you can no longer get away with it if you try the same thing.
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Of course you are free. What hurts is being in a guild for a long time, establishing yourself only for that to happen. Starting over is sometimes harder than it sounds for many people. This didn’t happen to me personally but playing two long time MMOs, I’ve witnessed it.
Then talk to other people in the guild, and if enough of them feel the same way you do, you talk to leadership as a collective.
LOL YOU SIR ARE A TROLL.
You don’t realize that with PL
- When boss is down
- The system assign and roll for all players in the backgroud call internal rolls
- of the 25 people in the raid the 3 to 4 players with the highest internal rolls win the item
- Those 3 to 4 people will then get a loot base of the spec they chose to be in.
You my friend will still not get any loot if you lose the internal roll blizzard does for everyone. you see with PL I have no choice as a person who only rolls on mogs I skip on all rings trinkets and weapons which increase your chance to get said items. With PL your chance of getting said items is lower coz blizzard roll for me. Also with PL to avoid people like you OP to whisper me for loot if I won any I simply see if I won anything if I do don’t loot boss and wait till the loot gets mail to me so you won’t even know I won anything.
And yes I will roll need on all the mogs I need. Just be thankful I am not rolling need on rings trinkets neck and weapons when I could.
Don’t work on my in PI l CLICK on the boss if I get loot I will leave it and aferwards get loot mail to me. Op won’t even know I won anything.