The paladin buff was 10%+ increase in damage. HoR is now their #2 ability behind auto attack, beating out crusader strike, divine storm, and judgement.
LOL, was this even tested? no, I guess not.
Bye warriors, just delete I guess. And no, ICC gear will not close the 30-40% dps gap between you and the rogues, locks, dks, and mages. If anything in phase 2 some classes like rogue get more DPS than you. Maybe with shadowmourne you can be middle of the pack.
Well I’ve never attempted to deny warriors the help they need, so please stop asking that I would. And let us say, for the sake of argent, that warriors are in a worse shape. The presence of 1 problem bigger or smaller that the other does not mean we should ignore the other problem altogether.
And you can’t simply wave away my mentioning TBC: you said paladins were privileged players. Bringing up their history is relevant, and you can’t ignore it.
As for us being viable? The devs disagree. They did not want to buff us too much, hence a 10% boost, which is 500-800 DPS in the end. Is that truly the end of the world?
You know what’s unnecessary about it? The fact that a month ago they said “ret paladins are in a good spot we don’t intend to buff them” then they just turn around and go yooooo sup ret pallies here’s that buff yall been crying about. we gucci now? cool
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Well? That’s on them.
Warriors are already showing up in the top world ranks for all classes on some fights my guy sorry to burst your bubble
10% is a pretty big buff. Yes, it wont get them anywhere near the rogues, locks, or mages but 700+ dps is a huge gain. Its like gaining half a whole tier of gear.
HoR is now paladins #2 ability, beating crusader strike, divine storm, and judgement. lol
Rets in ICC are going to be busted.
who is your sample size here? the top 1%'ers who get funneled gear and carried by their guildies by all means for them to achieve their 100 parse? get real man that’s not the average warrior player
Not really. And zero of our top theory crafters and sim creators think we will be either. Only people who don’t play ret and post on these forums have this opinion lol
Well, I’ve always said that when ICC hits, they can just revert the glyph, and we can earn that T10 bonus. Then everything will be as it was, and what it should be.
in the top overall 1000 i saw 2, and one had algalon trinkets, voldrethar, etc lol. So, dont plan on it.
Yep and it’s what 4 lockouts in? Lots more warriors will be doing lots more damage it’s not hard to see this coming.
Aggrend told us it’d only be a 500dps increase to ret. The buff they got is upwards of 1k, making them surpass feral, BM, MM and Fury, to a spot just below Boomkin and combat rogues.
I think the underlying problem with this buff was that it wasn’t tested. It took 2 minutes on a target dummy to conclude that it would be massive. If they had just done the vengeance buff, I don’t think anyone would be upset. That change made a lot of sense and honestly, should have been done a long time ago. Instead they tacked on something they clearly didn’t test.
Hand literally can miss and still deal damage. It’s nuts.
Hand is literally as if they gave warriors a free BT that did more dps than BT, was off GCD and was ranged. That sounds insane to me. I would never even imagine that was a reasonable buff.
Edit: TBC Aggrend is the person telling you that warriors scale. The same person who thought a 1k buff would only be 500dps. Even the sims aren’t saying warriors scale. Fury is a luxury class at best for the entirety of wotlk.
if phase 1 bis to phase 2 bis nets a warrior 2k dps but gets a rogue 2300 dps, think warriors will be topping the charts?
According to who? Not the sims, not any real world testing. It’s nostalgia and Aggrend—the guy who said the ret buff would only be 500dps.
Fury is a luxury class at best and will continue to be a luxury class for the rest of the expansion. Commanding shout loses value because it doesn’t scale, rogues are better sunderers. Feral can demo/paladins can apply demo on hit. Feral can bring crit buff and even if their dps is low, their ability to flex tank and dps without respec is actually valuable. DKs can apply attack speed reduction.
Prot is OK and has some niche areas where it excels, but you’re probably better off with a prot paladin . . . especially since they can respec ret and do more damage or respec holy and be the best healer.
Warrior is a pretty pointless class at this point.
How to show you have no clue about rets in one singular statement.
Cmon now, you don’t believe this or we’d have RDF by now 
Unfortunately Blizzard cannot buff warriors now…. no amount of face could be saved.
You do realize the last post on rets by Blizzard was “spec holy or prot”, you think their face is saved? O_o
Data please, telling someone they “don’t know what they are talking about” is quite silly when you have nothing to back up your point.
Total parses by class for the whole of Ulduar:
| Class | Spec | Parses | % |
|---|---|---|---|
| Warlock | Destruction | 12,614 | 0.44% |
| Hunter | Marksmanship | 46,396 | 1.61% |
| Warrior | Arms | 47,296 | 1.64% |
| Rogue | Combat | 83,412 | 2.89% |
| Druid | Feral | 91,768 | 3.18% |
| Shaman | Elemental | 112,359 | 3.89% |
| **Paladin | Retribution | 124,007 | 4.30%** |
| Shaman | Enhancement | 135,567 | 4.70% |
| Warrior | Fury | 157,871 | 5.47% |
| Death Knight | Unholy | 163,289 | 5.66% |
| Mage | Fire | 168,548 | 5.84% |
| Priest | Shadow | 173,349 | 6.01% |
| Warlock | Demonology | 175,937 | 6.10% |
| Mage | Arcane | 182,860 | 6.34% |
| Death Knight | Frost | 220,855 | 7.65% |
| Hunter | Survival | 228,396 | 7.91% |
| Druid | Balance | 228,793 | 7.93% |
| Rogue | Assassination | 234,096 | 8.11% |
| Warlock | Affliction | 298,286 | 10.34% |
Total Algalon parses by class:
| Class | Spec | DPS | Parses | % |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Warlock | Destruction | 7,114.85 | 17 | 0.16% |
| Hunter | Marksmanship | 6,673.19 | 71 | 0.66% |
| Warrior | Arms | 5,826.99 | 90 | 0.84% |
| Shaman | Elemental | 6,305.73 | 95 | 0.88% |
| Mage | Fire | 6,892.37 | 271 | 2.52% |
| **Paladin | Retribution | 6,153.26 | 281 | 2.62%** |
| Druid | Feral | 6,884.85 | 346 | 3.22% |
| Warrior | Fury | 6,628.52 | 457 | 4.26% |
| Rogue | Combat | 7,222.55 | 490 | 4.56% |
| Shaman | Enhancement | 7,208.00 | 544 | 5.07% |
| Priest | Shadow | 6,552.43 | 651 | 6.06% |
| Mage | Arcane | 6,322.25 | 672 | 6.26% |
| Warlock | Demonology | 7,163.47 | 708 | 6.59% |
| Druid | Balance | 6,268.73 | 725 | 6.75% |
| Hunter | Survival | 7,171.06 | 785 | 7.31% |
| Death Knight | Unholy | 7,658.31 | 796 | 7.41% |
| Rogue | Assassination | 7,972.41 | 804 | 7.49% |
| Death Knight | Frost | 7,797.15 | 809 | 7.53% |
| Warlock | Affliction | 7,453.29 | 2,128 | 19.81% |
DPS ranked on Algalon
| Class | Spec | DPS | Parses |
|---|---|---|---|
| Warrior | Arms | 5,826.99 | 90 |
| **Paladin | Retribution | 6,153.26 | 281** |
| Druid | Balance | 6,268.73 | 725 |
| Shaman | Elemental | 6,305.73 | 95 |
| Mage | Arcane | 6,322.25 | 672 |
| Priest | Shadow | 6,552.43 | 651 |
| Warrior | Fury | 6,628.52 | 457 |
| Hunter | Marksmanship | 6,673.19 | 71 |
| Druid | Feral | 6,884.85 | 346 |
| Mage | Fire | 6,892.37 | 271 |
| Warlock | Destruction | 7,114.85 | 17 |
| Warlock | Demonology | 7,163.47 | 708 |
| Hunter | Survival | 7,171.06 | 785 |
| Shaman | Enhancement | 7,208.00 | 544 |
| Rogue | Combat | 7,222.55 | 490 |
| Warlock | Affliction | 7,453.29 | 2,128 |
| Death Knight | Unholy | 7,658.31 | 796 |
| Death Knight | Frost | 7,797.15 | 809 |
| Rogue | Assassination | 7,972.41 | 804 |
Where are the goal posts going now? Algalon is only representative for class balance, not DPS? Beating all the other non-meta dps classes means Ret pally is in a great spot? Shamans are bad therefore Ret shouldn’t be buffed? Oh, Warcraft Logs isn’t representative of the playerbase, and you have the inside info from your Dad who works at Blizzard that Rets are, in your words, “one of the highest represented specs in Ulduar”?
(I figured I would run the numbers for 10-mans while I was at it, and the representation is worse, both overall and on Algalon, being 3.08% overall and 1.14% on Algalon.)
We all know where warriors are going. No one thinks warriors will be terrible longterm.