the ilvl jump in ulduar barely did anything for them and some classes like assassination rogue even get more DPS this phase. Fire mages are already popping off. Fire mage and Fury were told to be the scaling classes. Issue is, fire is scaling and fury isnt.
sims showing similar story
the problem is the gulf between warriors and the top is 30%+ and the scaling warriors have is nowhere near enough to really catch up to the top classes
basically your relegated to last place damage through most of the expac to maybe middle of the pack, while having little to no utility. If perhaps you get a shadowmourne maybe you can hit upper middle/bottom top because of its ilvl and stats but hurray, the game is over and you are still 4th place
there really is 0 reason to bring a fury warrior for all of wotlk, give the shadowmourne to a ret or a dk. Only reason to play a warrior at all is to be a rebel or for fights with 3-4 mob cleave.
Also I don’t consider 4th place to be a bad spot for an S tier dps.
It’s lower S tier, but I’d be all giggles if my shadow priest was 4th sims wise. Right now the only way I get high in the charts is if it’s a rough fight.
when rogues, locks, dks, and mages are all S tier all game, and warriors are in last place, and then you go to wowsims and put in bis sets for everything and find that warrior is maybe middle of the pack at best, or close to the bottom with the only silver lining being the gap between them and the top is smaller, its not a good power curve
also Ive found that even matching the sim dps is a lot easier w/ casters and some other classes
Right now, for warriors that already have a number of BiS pieces, they are able to compete middle of the pack. That’s already a massive jump from the bottom of the pack in Naxx BiS. I’m under the impression they are scaling as expected, will be middle of the pack with most Ulduar BiS, will be mid-top of pack by ToC, and will be nice and snug somewhere at the very top in ICC.
That said, I don’t play warrior and I have no qualms if they feel underrepresented, are underrepresented, and want to present that to info with the hopes that Blizz shift their power a bit. Good luck soldiers.
Someone showed the middle dps specs for p2 in my guild’s discord and they were super close… kinda cool tbh. Hoping we can get palies and warriors into that range.
I have zero information to back this so I will back down if called out lmao, but it seems like with some minor exception that melee dps is just left behind a fair bit when compared to casters. things like DKs, enhance, and sin rogues do a fair job of staying up there with casters but a lot of others just disappear.
So I agree, buff warriors. Hopefully if any of the underperforming specs end up in dire straights then blizz will look at them for minor boosts like they did for ret.
this is false according to warcraft logs general stats
the only warriors able to compete in the middle of the pack are the ones w/ one or two 252 weapons, algalon trinkets, and in general just have had insane luck and are competing against people in ilvl 215 gear still
run the sims, when other classes have similar gear theyre again 2k dps ahead of warriors
Warriors have been S+ tier for two entire expansions. They will be S+ tier again near the end of this expansion, and reach S tier sometime next phase if not sooner. I think they’re probably ok being lacklaster for a phase or two.
Interpreting warcraft logs can be tricky with warriors (imo). On the one hand, taking top parses can skew results; on the other hand, the whole thought behind Fury is that they do scale well, and so seeing what’s possible in the hands of a skilled fury with the right gear, does change things.
Idk. Just how I think about it. Could be wrong.
Once again, I don’t play warrior, but as someone who was hoping Ret got tweaked so we weren’t as bad, I felt for my fury brethren because they were in a similar boat (as a dps). If there’s an issue, I wish ya’ll godspeed and support ya!
When raids have 8 locks with multiple rogues, dks, and mages, that warrior that can get voldrethar and every item imaginable to be 20 ilvl ahead of his buddies and barely make middle of the pack is going to be back to last place once his friends catch up
sims show other classes all gain around the same as warriors do in bis this phase, even assassination rogues gaining MORE dps than warriors. The scaling on every class is solid and the gap between warriors and the top is huge, so when everyone is in similar gear, warriors will still be around the bottom this phase
fire mages are popping off, like warriors should be, with the ilvl boost but its a lot of copium and misinformation that warriors scale insane and will be the best class. They wont be, in damage, ever, outside of cleave fights and shadowmourne + cleave fights 2 months before the xpac ends.
if we’re talking algalon if i’m not mistaken based on class distribution of the 10 classes paladin’s hold 20+% of the classes brough and warriors are like 4% if anything paladin’s are over represented.
Mind sharing this Data? I remever the ilvl scaling video couple months ago, but it was pretty much i validated because of things like set bonuses and armor pen.
Remember the passive ability tanks received in cata called Vengeance?
Something like that could help prot out in the threat and damage department for sure.
Are prot warriors hurting in that area though? Thought it was mostly a threat issue (with PvE, of course).
A slight damage reduction would help both pvp and pve but didn’t think it was a problem with them for pve.
Nah - Warrior Prot threat is pretty good in Wrath and damage is heaps good - too good even.
Due to our mobility and AoE damage we have essentially replaced Pallys as the premier adds tank. Good for Dungeon clears and such. But not great for Bosses due to others having better cooldowns and mitigation - especially for non physical damage.
We have inferior cooldowns and mitigation to Pallys and thus get overlooked. We’re viable just not preferred.
It wouldn’t take a huge buff to bring us to the same level. And I think that would be good to do as having Pally tanks and Warrior tanks being interchangeable would really even out overall class representation.